CCP should seriously consider removing Local from Null

I always pull my drones, but then again there are reasons for that, but you would not understand…

Some people want to use them against NPC dread’s, please keep up.

Since 2005 for me…, so what, you do tend to have a primary focus in terms of your gameplay which can change, and WH is obviously yours at this point.

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I have never had my station trading alt blown up.

He earned me 1.4b isk last month. I log in twice a week to update orders.

How are you going to remove safety from that?

And before you say “Market PvP could cause him to lose isk”… not really. It just postpones the earning of the isk… like having to dock up because a red is in system postpones the earning of isk from bounties.

There are plenty of isk-earning opportunities that are as safe or more safe than ratting in null.

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Nothing in EVE should be 100% safe. That’s part of the game

Stop saying you aren’t 100% safe when ratting in null if you don’t take the steps you can take to be 100% safe.

You could also drop a titan to fight NPCs in Null, that doesn’t make it smart. Again, why are you in seige PVEing in null?

We’ve been over It, I understand you want to protect your risk free isk earning in null. You’ve had it risk free for long enough it’s scary to think you’ll have to put in effort now

Station trading being unbalanced in terms of risk/reward doesn’t justify PVE in null being the same. This is a conversation about local in null though, not station trading.

Good question :slight_smile:

Well, during my brief experiment with carrier ratting i noticed that with basic attention to nothing except local and intel i was essentially uncatchable, save for a log off trap in the site that happened to log on right as i was in warp to the site, which would require a corrupt blue to work and in my experience this was not particularly common.

It is my opinion that due to peoples reliance on this free intel, a society of almost complete safety has emerged and that the people who are used to it understandably are nervous about the dark abyss they would occupy without it. Now i hear ya, that ships are still being blown up in nul. My point is that the amount of ships is not enough by a long shot, to outstrip the massive construction happening partly as a result of new mining methods.

There’s also jump drives, which have eliminated the necessity of convoys and all the content they used to provide in nul / lowsec. I know this thread is about local, but i think that point is relevant to your question as well as my standpoint on this issue. Several factors have contributed to a stagnant nulsec compared to when i started playing.

I hope that partly answers your question. I fell in love with EvE as a cold harsh world of sinister danger. I would much prefer it if a group was a necessity for upper end nul content, because at the moment it is just not a scary place to go. It is easy to rake in billions almost risk free and i personally think that should be less possible (read : not impossible, but harder).

I think that removal of local, combined with changes to PvE that make it require a fleet / gang to do securely, rather than just a quick glance at a list of names once in a while. I would also support changes to cyno’s to prevent Drac from crying moar. I do a bit of pretty much everything in EvE so please don’t just reply that i’m looking for easy targets or something, i would be one of those easy targets part of the time… I genuinely want EvE to become more dangerous not less, in almost every way.

I’m bored of your sniveling, which is really saying something as you are normally a primary form of entertainment for me :thumbsupparrot:

You said he was AFk to make a sad attempt at being smart, I put you right, you did not like that, tough mate.

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You are not 100% safe.

Actually people do use Titans for PvE and yes it is smart, shows how much you really know, or should I say don’t know.

There you go trolling again, yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

PVE risk/reward isn’t unbalanced in null. Sure you can rat relatively risk free, but that’s for a small amount of time a day.

It’s only the big alliances that make it possible to rat risk free for longer periods of time. Removing local affects the small alliances much more which aren’t unbalanced to begin with. That’s why your idea sucks ass.

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You’re projecting. Most people do not come to internet forums to “try to be smart”, we just discuss things and sometimes even disagree.

You forgot to link the VNI he lost the day before to RATS (afk). And the one the day before that, which he lost to a group with no fast tackle at all (afk). Yeah sure mate he was definitely paying attention to local as that cloaked falcon slowly wandered up to him with a battlecruiser and a battleship in tow (afk).

Not true. You need to have reliable intel from friendly players in order to carrier rat safely. For smaller alliances there are regularly holes in intel which introduces risk. Local doesn’t help you at all when in a carrier as if a red is in system during the time you are warping, it’s too late to do anything about it, you have to hope you can jump out of system before you get tackled.

Local is a tool to provide good intel, it does not provide 100% intel without players.

Jump drives are necessary to have large fleet battles and attack sov.

I’ve been in battles where over a trillion worth of ISK has been blown up this month and I’ve barely even played, how much more destruction do you need? Like I’ve said plenty of times before, null does not revolve around players like you blowing miners up for balance, you make up a miniscule proportion of null content.

P.S the only mining happening in null is by goonswarm, you can’t use them as your yardstick to say there is too much mining and construction happening.

It would make finding fights incredibly annoying and boring, I’d quit the game over it, it takes long enough to get action as it is. No way does it need to take longer.

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Yeah, I can see that you are trying.

You just showed yourself to be even less smart, the loss with the Falcon on it was obviously from moving his VNI in along the pipe, there is a Broadsword on it. For you information WD-VTV, 9KOE and 36N are all systems camped by a very good set of campers who specialise in that type of play. That you seem to think he was AFK when he was moving through a pipe shows a lack of smarts mate.

As for losing VNI’s to rats, quite often sites get double spawns if they are started and not finished before DT, this could be a loss to one of them.

As I said you are trying too hard, AFK my ass, yawn…

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I am 100% safe, but then again I use the tools available.

Please educate me on when it’s smartest to use titans for PVE. I am listening.

Not even when you are 100% safe.

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I’ve addressed this already. No it doesn’t help large alliances. It removes space from their control, makes null larger again. Your alliance makes it easy to rat risk free in null. Do you consider it large or small?

I don’t have risk free ratting, there are a lot of holes in intel where I live.

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You are safe from hotdrops in your WH :smile:

Why should I educate you on your ignorance? I said ‘smart’ not 'smartest ', there is a bit of a difference yet again between what I said and what you are saying that I said.

You’re not. When an in-alliance spy drops a covops fleet on your ship or awoxes you… then you’ll realize that you’re still never safe when you undock.

The people in CO2’s Keepstar probably thought they were safe. Now they’re in a goonswarm keepstar surrounded by bubbles.

Oops. So much for safety. Such is life in null.

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Then work on your intel. You know how to fix your problem

Down to a 2/10 on your baiting