CCP should seriously consider removing Local from Null

Nah
If I wanted to streak my ego I’d be posting killmails and :poop:
But that would be off-topic :wink:
Sorry love

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So VNIs get caught because they refuse to leave drones behind, caps get caught because they aren’t aligned?

One more time, if someone PvE-ing in sov null is watching local chat, is aligned and warps/jumps out as soon as they see someone not blue enter the system, how will they ever die? You listed a few very good ways people ignore the tools they already have. Using tools currently available answer the question.

You brought up a good point again though. The only way people in null can die when PvEing is by user error. There is no way through game mechanics to catch the person playing correctly. That makes them 100% safe.

I’ve used HS to buy things. That doesn’t mean I explain what it’s like to live there on a daily basis.

Drac, please stay on topic and stop posting essays ranting at how much you don’t like me. For the third time, keep it on topic on the forums or stay quiet. I’ve asked you politely multiple times to send me a private message on the off topic things you keep saying, you haven’t done it yet. Christ, at this point I could say I love puppies and you’d write an essay on how I’m ridiculously ignorant because of it for some reason.

I apologize for disagreeing with you. Apparently as soon as someone does that they get a litany of personal insults for months straight. Keep it coming. I’ll keep trying to keep you from further derailing the conversation.

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How do you PvP someone who can escape 100% of the time in their PvE ship before they are tackled?

This sounds like a much better solution than removing local from null sec. Not only because removing local from null sec would be a little too big of a leap on the opposite direction, but also that the lack of local is meant to be a J-space unique trait.

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You missed the part where they are also orbiting with over sized AB’s so are not aligned, but part of their mode of operation is to pull drones, this is also an offensive act in terms of killing interceptors, get them back then unleash.

Well who would have thunk that, of course that is the whole point, you warp to anomalies, caps have a slow warp speed, you land you get aligned, it takes time. Also dreads as per your earlier cap bait comment, they are in siege so stuck there for 5 minutes and are not aligned…

They don’t die, but that is the point, it is not supposed to be a sure done thing, it is supposed to be hard and require people to be unobservant, or caught when they are still in warp or not aligned, that balances off against certain death in the majority of cases if they are caught.

Do you remember the time when using sentry drones with carriers was the thing, so many carriers died, I used fighters and did not die, it is a case in point.

It is not 100% safe, to keep saying that is wrong, I detailed above where people are vulnerable, and don’t forget my earlier comment on small systems adding to risk, do try to keep up.

So what the discussion is about local in nullsec, you are the one who lives in WH space and who is going on about local being bad, while I live in nullsec space and am quite happy with local, listen to your own advice mate.

Trying so hard yet again, like dropping that silly link above with Linus and then a new character, you are the one going off topic with your troll baiting. You poor little victim, next you will want safe spaces and stuff.

You should apologise for your trolling. I have tried to respond yet again to your points as part of a debate and laughed at and detailed your troll bait.

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A) You will earn less in HS, albeit you may come out ahead due to less risk of losing your ship.

B) The astronomical isk input from NS bounties is beyond dispute. You and some others may choose to PvE elsewhere instead, but that in-turn means there will be less carebears in NS, which means there will be commensurately less hunters as well. Many will stay in NS though because the isk really is that good.

C) Net result is that just as carebears will be dis-incentivized to PvE in NS, so will hunters, due to the added difficulty of having to actively sweep for other players rather than relying on Local.

D) It all balances out in the end.

A VNI will never not get off grid if it leaves drones behind.

Are you honestly saying you use dreads in siege in PvE in null?

That is the point. It isn’t supposed to be a ‘sure done thing’ that a PvE-er can escape without dying 100% of the time. You are proving my point.

The only ways you said someone can be vulnerable is if they make a mistake. There is no way through pure game mechanics that a PvE-er doesn’t have the advantage in sov null.

I am, thanks. I lived in sov null for the majority of my time in EVE. For all you talk about WHs (it’s every post with you, I never bring them up. What’s your obsession?) you’ve never really used them.

I’ll say if one more time. Stay on topic and leave the personal insults for private messages so you don’t keep derailing threads. But you won’t send one to me message because to you this is about ‘winning’ some fight with me, not about discussing a topic.

Again, I am sorry I disagree with you. Now go ahead and reply again making excuses for how PvEers in null shouldn’t have to pay attention, then insult me a few more times.

You realize Ad Hominem used repeatedly makes people immediately write you off, yeah?

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They won’t, what’s wrong with that?

Btw do you actually live in a wormhole?

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You will come out ahead because the risk in nullsec will be too great.

Astronomical ISK generation, in fact I think you will find the richest people in Eve are Jita traders. It depends where at this point, deep DRF and fortress Goon, Dekiln, but a good part of nullsec will be empty.

That will be the result, however people will not really want to risk it because it is simply easy for someone to have an out of normal area log off spot, just login cloak up and bang. Hunters will just place logged of cloaky alts all over the place, that is what the gameplay will end up being.

Less content for the game basically…

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That sentence makes no sense what so ever.

I don’t…

I will continue to point out that it is not supposed to be a sure done thing to catch someone. And did you miss the part about small systems and the impact on that, yep you did, but there you go.

So what, you identified yourself as a WH player in the AFK cloaky thread, that is how you defined yourself, you are not a nullsec player.

Trolling and then crying when you are picked up on it, you need to grow up, the largest sentences from you are making this whiny point, so much for not derailing this thread mate!


In any case CCP are not going to consider removing local in nullsec, the most likely outcome will be using OA’s and if people cannot defend them or more importantly if you Mr WH player cannot remove it then that is your issue.

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Well. Marauders aside(Yes, people use them, and some die, because bastion).
There are frigates, that use points(NPC).
Interceptors are pretty fast too, because Interceptors(Thats the point to use them).
Lokis and Tengus, that hotdrop BLOPS. Or even better: A spy and a BLOPS bridge a hotdropper in. Yes, happens from time to time(Of course not in J-Space, because…).
Neuts, that are not neuts, realy. Seen that too(Providence…).
Try and counter that. You can´t run from everything.

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His AFK VNI?

Yeah null’s so hard most people AFK it.

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Why does it need to be harder than it is?

Note the interceptor, I don’t think he ws AFK as he had reported the PH interceptor player in local.

This is a classic example where local based intel does not work, he knew that there was that gang in F4R but it is a pipe system so it often gets people in there who can head off in multiple directions. No one had reported what the PH player was in.

Sorry that this destroyed your narrative…

Because it’s really really easy currently and i personally don’t think it should be so easy.

I don’t have a narrative, just the facts. AFK ratting in nulsec is huge so please don’t stand there and don’t pretend it’s not. If you know anything about nul, it is that AFK VNI’s / Ishtars are rife.

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No one should ever be 100% safe when earning ISK. That’s what’s wrong with that.

Nope, I just have a history of WH corps to this character’s name and kills in WHs very often.

It’s OK. I can explain. See, when someone not blue shows up in your system, don’t pull drones. Just align to a safe, turn off your AB and warp out.

Then why did you bring up dreads when we were talking about PvE? Stop saying whatever you can think of that will derail a thread.

Surprising as it might be, it’s entirely possible for someone to have lived in multiple parts of space after playing EVE for over a half a decade.

Thank you for at least trying to stay on topic with this one. There might be hope for you yet.

Which bit is too easy compared to the rest.

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You said he was AFK, I told you he was not, simple isn’t it.

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Why? ,