Your premise is incorrect because the balance of risk / reward is not maintained it is fundamentally changed to a much higher level of risk. In your suggestion are you expecting CCP to remove all the map data like people in systems, people docked, number of PvE kills or not.
It seems to be a policy of CCP to make it so smaller groups can take their own space, why would they destroy that. Currently smaller groups are trying to do catch up against those bigger groups, part of the equation is that the bigger groups when looking for fun start wasting assets against each other and if you can play clever you can perhaps narrow the gap a bit. Removing local just gives the big entities the ability to drop a mass of alts all over the map and reinforce their advantage .
In my alliances Au TZ we do that a lot and are quite successful, however once we start getting into EU TZ we cannot do it, neither can we do it in the US TZ. Many alliances are having to operate when certain large aggressive alliances are at the peak of their power, meaning that they just have to suck it. Those people will be driven out of nullsec while at least now they can take the losses.
You should apologise for having that dig about caps at that Provi player because he said dreads very specifically, you either did that through acute ignorance or as a bait post.
The Provi poster who you attempted to Troll was talking very specifically about using dreads on NPC dreads, he did not use the word caps, at that point you decided to make a snide remark about caps and Provi to get a response. No conspiracy against me, just you attempting to troll someone who had a different opinion to you.
You are pretty odd to say the least, a dread is a cap ship but it has different parameters in terms of its use to other caps, so saying caps could refer to using Titans, Supers and Carriers to rat, which can all align and warp off, while a dread would be in siege, using a FAX to rat would make no sense, well perhaps to you then.
When debating people who know what they are doing you need to be more precise, especially with those who are very aware of your trolling techniques. The subject is whether CCP should seriously consider removing local from null, so far the majority of different posters think that they should not, especially those who operate in and understand the game as played in nullsec.
As I said before, send me a message in game if you want to keep this conversation going. Stop derailing the thread. You can misread what I say and give passive aggressive condescending threats all you want there. Be as pedantic as you want in private messages, but give it a rest here.
Regarding local in null, I agree the majority of people who live in nullsec donât want it removed. Iâve said that a few times already. They are used to null giving 100% risk free PvE, and are afraid that will change. That doesnât mean it shouldnât change. Most people living in null have never lived without it, and so really shouldnât have an opinion one way or the other on the topic. The only people who can accurately talk about what null would be like without local chat are people who have spent a decent chunk of time living in null and in WHs. I personally have never lived in HS other than my first month in the game, so I donât give advice about CONCORD mechanics. This is similar.
This is where you are trolling, it is massively condescending and totally untrue, if you want to keep making such outrageous statements like that then you will have to accept that people like me and many others will see you as a troll and not a very good one at that.
The cap post you made was a classic example of your trolling technique, and was you going massively off topic by directly attacking the attitude of his coalition to caps generally when he specifically mentioned dreads. You should stop trolling this thread period!
This is also incredibly wrong, arrogant and condescending, in fact all the way through this thread you have shown you are the least able person to give an opinion on this subject with your simplistic statements on fleets and comms. Stop trolling this thread period!
Responding to the only part of your reply that was on topic. As I said before, send me a message in game if you want to keep trying to pick a fight, or whatever your goal with me is.
If someone PvE-ing in sov null is watching local chat, is aligned and warps/jumps out as soon as they see someone not blue enter the system, how will they ever die?
Why should someone with no experience living without local chat give input on what it would be like to live without local chat?
Similarly, I have never suicide ganked. Why would I give input on suicide ganking?
OMG, over 20 posts since i put up some arguments, not one answer on it, it just got spammed out with dread / cap discussion. Iâm not reading this here thread anymore its just trollbait. If anyone wants to discuss the merits in having local in null iâm more then happy to point out all the drawbacks of removing it from null as i have extensive experience with no local both from a hunting and a pve perspective.
I think that as far as intel goes local is far more of a benefit to the aggressors then the defenders. Regardless of âadvancedâ warning knowing that something is comming 10j away. Heck if you watch out for that kind of nonsense youâd never have any time playing and instead only sit there docked up.
This is why you have no idea, it depends on the ship, a VNI orbits with itâs oversized AB on and will pull drones, for carriers and supers it depends whether they have actually got aligned or not, or are even in warp to the site, smaller systems add to that vulnerability. It is called windows of vulnerability, that people who are smart will use the right ship and the right fit to get tackle on. That you cannot see that says what about you?
Well I have used WH space a lot to move stuff in and out of Stain so having no local is something I have done, I of course have never posted anything about living in WH space and nor do I intend to. You obviously have no idea of the empire level game in nullsec, you in all likelihood look at this from a single system WH dwellers perspective with the intent to pop out of a WH and catch something without having to jump into the right ship to get tackle on it due to local, that is your perspective and how you see it.
By all means put forward your view point but sprouting out nonsense about 100% safety when it is just untrue and baiting people like you did above makes you look daft.
In terms of local I am quite happy for CCP to require sov holders to put up OAâs for local, the issue is that the mechanism for such a OA needs to be thought about carefully, because of lag issues in terms of big battles, the preferred option would be to have an OA that picks up the ships ID and that the OA has a certain coverage, but then we would have server checks in terms of location and it would impact server ticks and large battles with many thousands in system. Another issue with an OA is that hunters will not have local and that is a major issue for people on roams, which I have done, roamers use local to find out whether it is worth warping into sites or not.
There are many compromises that CCP have to make and the current system that acts like characters come though a gate when they come in via a WH is of course a victim of that simplicity. Man up and admit that this is what you are after, I have some sympathy for that viewpoint if that is what your angst is, but of course you can link to Wikipedia articles as Linus and then by a new alt so that you donât get Linus chopped for trolling, ho humâŚ
EDIT: Oh look at this Volta have a WH in my constellation, and what do you know they are using interceptors, you see some good players just get on with it!!!
Iâll also add that when I go on fleet roams, we rely on local intel so we can find fleets to go and fight. Trying to find fleets to kill would be absolutely pointless without local intel. As part of a fleet, you donât want to be warping around for 50 jumps to find a fleet to kill, and even if you find a fleet, they could easily disappear so using tactics like cutting off their escape path would be much harder.
Nobody wants to spend all day looking for 1 fight. Removing local would destroy the fleet PVP aspect of null.
Doesnât matter. Null is balanced around local currently. Nobody in this thread has given a good reason why anything has to change in null.
Null is about wars, large fleet battles and groups of players having their own space to operate properly in, safety is irrelevant to the purpose of null. Null is not about solo pirates killing miners, J-space is that way â> . Safety cannot be totally balanced around playersâ ability to keep their space safe in null, itâs a game at the end of the day and people want to have fun. Collecting intel all day is not fun. Spamming D-scan all day is not fun. Paying for scout alts is not fun. Being hotdropped with no warning is not fun.
So you can spout off all the reasons forever on why you donât like players to have intel in systems, but the bottom line is nobody wants to play your way, so forget it.
So what you are saying is that i have to have people on gates, check every sig, even have people clicking D-scan in every system in case someone logs in to prevent them gaining the initiative on any ratting activity. I just cannot see it happening. Salvos at this point I gain more and more income from my indy endeavours, I seriously have less and less incentive to rat apart from a bit of capital injection.
Do you know what will happen with no local, I will go full indy and do hisec stuff for ISK injection such as burner missions and just wait for pings for CTAâs and such and most people will do exactly that, while roamers will find no one to kill. It would ruin the game period.
Wormhole space isnât dead, I donât see why nullsec would be any different⌠oh wait, yes
People in nullsec are mainly idiots that still manage to die.with all the possible Intel.
Pepole in holes die less because they expect to be dropped all day everyday⌠complacency is one hell of a killer
The people who want to play without local are already in WH space. Nobody in null wants to remove local because itâs integral to how null sec operates.
I donât even know why Iâm bothering to reply to your post, the only reason you posted is to stroke your own ego.
