CCPlease revert logi changes

After going back again and reading the dev blog, and the feedback thread, again it seems you are in the minority, because the dev blog says nothing about suspects, and the majority from what i’m seeing was for the change to neutral logis.

CONCORDing of neutral logi, as that’s been an issue that has been on the table for many, many years.

Again these forums are a vacuum. Furthermore, most of the support was for the changes in regards to WAR DECS and the way the change effected suspects was an afterthought.

All he did was prove you wrong, with evidence from CCP themselves. Perhaps you should try listening for a change…

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No more EZ mode n+1 scenario for you, now you have to play smart and actually put in some effort for your kills like any decent suspect baiter does… if you are up for the challenge that is, which seems you clearly aren’t seeing your OP. Good riddance. Low effort suspect baiter tears best tears. :droplet: :salt: :popcorn: :smiling_imp:

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Wait suspect baiters don’t plex accounts? Jeez that is sad.

When i first got started in eve & the ninja dojo was a thing, ninja’s were drawn in by the desire to plex. Dope kills & masses of ISK was just the icing.

Crime watch sucks there should not be global suspect, only suspect should be for the victim (s),

Yes we’re still plexing accounts. And in response to @Uriel_the_Flame I’m still extremely successful with baiting as it stands. I make enough money to plex 3 accounts doing it. You dont even understand the mechanics or what I’m asking for. Please take your butthurt carebear drivel somewhere else.

CCP would rather replace us with NPCs than answer the support tickets or, god forbid, improve the tutorial so players actually know something about PvP from the get go.

Considering among other playstyles I’m a suspect baiter myself (though not my primary activity) along with other piracy stuff and non-piracy activities, you just confirmed you have no idea what you are talking about, which be honest was obvious since the get go based on your posts in this thread.

Anyway nobody will miss your risk averse n+1 edge case scenario, now you have to bait smart and face not as favourable odds, including your friends alts. There is a reason CCP removed this and most people are in favor of the decision even including other suspect baiters.

It is gone… forever. :stuck_out_tongue:

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/facepalm “bait smart” lol. I haven’t lost a ship in over a week… You carebears on this forum are the worst. You literally just make up some scenario in your head and then belligerently post as if its fact. I can refute everything you say with evidence from the game but it does not matter because I’m arguing with hardheaded carebears.

I don’t expect you to understand, but I would appreciate it if you’d actually READ my posts. It’s infuriating having to train you in the mechanics to have a discussion… then you just make up your own mechanics to fit you narrative anyway…

You can keep ignoring what people tell you, pretending everybody else is wrong, but the fact is we are aware how crimewatch mechanics work, many of us use these very mechanics on a daily basis either as baiters or just to avoid getting baited.

Covering your ears and parroting “yuh carbars do not no wut i talk abut” just shows your ignorance and lack of argument, you fool nobody, but you probably realize this and this is the best you can come up with I guess.

Either way good luck on your crusade, let me know once you’ve succeed convincing the majority including ccp to revert back to your lazy baiter mechanics which probably nobody else will miss including decent suspect baiters. :stuck_out_tongue:

Says the person literally blocking people who disagree.

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You’re flaming me because you do not like the way I want to play the game. Your points literally have no more basis than that. The only reasoning you’ve given me as to why this change shouldn’t be made is “I think it is OP”.

Which cannot be true because everyone has access to logi. Furthermore, why should suspects not have +1s if everyone else gets them?

People shooting suspects do not have access to logi. Therefore your argument is invalid due to factual inaccuracy.
Furthermore, people trying to engage a suspect are hurt more by their logi going suspect than a suspect baiter is since they want to be suspect. So that’s not a good argument either.

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My point on the matter is that crime watch has been an utter failure leaving high sec a stale place with less player interaction.

Global suspect needs removed alongside 3rd party reps. Why does stealing from one person allow all of eve to shoot you? Makes no sense.

Crime watch really isn’t that big of a deal. I want to be suspect to everyone. Sure it might lose me a ship every now and then but it’s better overall.

3rd party reps aren’t that big of a deal either. The targets I’m after would blow up either way. Everyone makes a big deal out of them because they want to try to force people to bring them “fair fights” at the cost huge amounts of content.

It’s really trash. CCP has got to stop listening to these carebears on the forums and start trying to bring back the other half of Eves playerbase instead of trying to shun them and replace them with WoW players.

Crime watch killed ninja ganking, a quick look at my early zkill will show you what I mean.

Back in the day 2 month chars were going blow to blow with $100 vet ships without 3rd party involvement or skillboosters. It was raw skill v skill points, Crimewatch deleted 99% of high sec pvp & made the remaining 1% a 1 v n+100 affair.

A lot of people left eve replaced by bots and alts, a lot of CCP’rs lost their jobs, much sad :(.

Crime watch was only bad for the risk averse baiters who didn’t want to lose a ship every now and then, and the small time baiters who were too proud to plex another account for an orca/logi alt.

The logi change really hurt us though. I feel like CCP thinks that if they make us bring fair fights we’ll bring them but that is not the case. Eve is not about fair fights and the day I am forced into space bushido is the day I (and many others) quit.

Crime watch allows 3000 v 1 fights, generated from stealing ore. There is a reason the eve player base dropped off a cliff then.

Before t1 cruisers used to 1v1 faction battleships, now lets be clear CCP listned to carebears who said it was not fair they were expected to maybe take a t1 cruiser on 1v1 while in a class of ship 3 to 4 higher.

You really have to understand the dumbing down Eve has gone through the last decade so it could be milked like a cash cow. It is now a wow clone in space. Very little of the original Eve pedigree remains, & oh boy did the Koreans get mutton dressed as lamb in their purchase.

Now we’re 1v1ing faction battleships with frigates. Crime watch seemed like a problem at the time but ended up being B E T T E R for those of us that REALLY knew what we were doing. We kept the mission baiting community together for a looonnnggg time after crime watch. Reverting crime watch really doesn’t do anything. A good baiter WANTS to be shootable by everyone.

The problem we’re running into now is that with the removal of logi in high sec we have no reason to support each other anymore and no reason to recruit. Everyone is playing solo now. Which I guess is what you wanted to do. I personally do not think CCP should be making changes to buff people who can’t be bothered to be prepared in the first place and they DEFINITELY shouldn’t be changing the game to favor the solo player… in an MMORPG.

Move to nullsec