Lol so many posts flagged, torgo must be having a bad day 
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You keep sayin PvP players should go to null, yet you want capitals in high? Im gonna use your words on this one, go to null.
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You donât own the moon ore in HS. You actually donât own anything in HS. Its the faction that owns it all and everyone in the area is free to mine from the belts as if they are an regular belt.
I know you spent the money and can only have 1 structure in the spot, but its the factionâs space they allow you to place it there for free.
In HS you canât actually own space or a moon or a system. Thats the price you pay for Concord.
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Yup, in the end they are all serfs 
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No, PvP trash who wants to force their gameplay unto others should go to nullâŚ
No, but that was kinda funnyâŚ
In before CCP owns everything and they are master 0_0
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Hard no to moon asteroids being âownedâ by anyone. Resource harvesting of all types (ore mining, ice mining, salvaging, gas harvesting, etc.) is considered to be a non-aggressive act. Thereâs no other situation where stuff floating in space is âownedâ by someone from a harvesting standpoint. Aside from requiring new and potentially confusing mechanics, it seems odd to make it one way for a limited subset of resource and another way for everything else.
If you need to deter ninja miners, there are already tools to do so. Start using them.
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The whole âone player shell corporationâ defense for hisec structures has its drawbacks as well. While the actual owners of the structure and the members of their corporation may be safe from wardecs, they are also extremely limited in their ability to defend said structure without hiring outside assistance. Theyâre trading safety for their line members in exchange for increased risk to (or cost to defend) their structures. I see that as a fair tradeoff.
-1 overall. Is the use of one player shell corporations annoying to some players? Yeah. But thatâs precisely the point. There are ways around it if youâre willing.
So are you saying that you canât defend your Fortizar operated by Incompetent Holdings (a two character shell corp) in Audaerne? Because that would be a real shameâŚ
evestruct is such a wonderful toolâŚ
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Nope, like the wolf with 3 pigs story a slight huff will bring it down 
Just dec the structure.
And i hear suicide ganking is easy, risk free and guaranteed profit! So do that to protect your own moons.
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Thank you for this. I had no idea such a catalog existed.
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I understand your point. I would like to not focus so much on the moon mining as the only goal here. My overall point was that structures provide too much benefit to everyone around them regardless if their alliance owns it or not. The moon ore was used as an example. But getting back to your first point, I am inclined to disagree with you. POCOâs, whoever owns the POCO gets the ability to tax the materials harvested to the planet. In this instance the organization that owns the POCO has some claim to the materials contained within. But for your examples, all but 1 are just laying around and require no player interaction to be generated. The one exception being wrecks. Player buys ship, shoots NPC and now the wreck is produced. That player is entitled to the loot held within but anyone else has the opportunity to take that loot for their own at risk of being shot. Moon mining requires player interaction that someone has to buy/anchor the structure, and pay to fuel it. This was my thinking with the example I gave for moon mining.
I am again inclined to disagree with your second point but not entirely. With structure defense mechanics as they are it is not you only have the to fight the structure, but everyone they call in as allies to come protect the structure. Citadels properly fit can be a royal pain to take down, and to top it off, there is always the classic time zone tank. On the surface yes it does appear to be at a pretty big disadvantage but given the factors Iâve listed above I believe negates that fact.
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No, it is a nerf to a playstyle of stealing moon ore from others. I am ashamed about your corporation morals if that is what you do.
Thatâs not entirely accurate. They owners of the POCO donât tax everything harvested or produced on the planet, they tax everything removed from the planet via the POCO. They charge other players a fee for using their infrastructure, just like with Upwell structures.
Incidentally, POCO owners can set their tax rates to 0% for certain groups, just like the owners of Upwell structures owned by a shell corporation can not charge taxes for the âactualâ owners. So in that regard, Upwell structures already work just like POCOs.
The benefits you mentioned (calling in allies, strong defensive fits, time zone tanking) apply whether the Upwell structure in question is held by a shell corporation or not. But the downside of not having a large pool of pilots to pull from to assist in the defense of the structure only applies to Upwell structures held by a shell corporation. (Well, technically, it would also apply to a poorly managed corporation with few or no pilots with the Starbase Manager role, but thatâs not relevant.) So youâre not making a particularly strong argument here.
Also, aside from these two examples you are overlooking a different use case: What about freeports owned by small corporations? In terms of game mechanics, how could you accurately and reliably distinguish between one of these and an Upwell structure being held by a shell corporation for the sake of wardec protection? Freeport owners have to keep their taxes low already in order to attract business, and if a move like this made them less appealing to players outside of their corporation, theyâd almost certainly lose business.
I donât want a nerf into the ground for citadels, just small tweaks. It would still have benefits to utilizing the services like building. Production I would put better than NPC but not as great as owning the station itself. Those who own the structure get the bonus as it stands currently. There would still be the taxes gained from it for the owners. The market hubs, I would expect to remain as they are.
With the citadel defense that you brought up, it wasnât a total disagree with your point. I was simply trying to point out that itâs downside is vastly overshadowed by the benefits.
A citadel hidden in a shell corporation and a small group actually owning the structure would in my opinion change very little for the small corporation running the citadel. The distinguishing factor would be, does your corp or a corp within your alliance own this structure. If not, then you get the middle of the road benefits compared to the full benefits the owners receive for their investment in the structure. Unless the system is heavily active with production (like ones in Perimeter) they are not in it for the profit from the citadel itself. I owned a Sotiyo in Delve, minimum 300b was being built a month from minerals to hulls and the income that it generated was laughable compared to what it cost to fuel. This change would be more to those that utilize structures they donât own. Each group would have to either accept the change and continue with the not as good but better benefits than NPC or they would have to anchor/operate their own to continue to receive the benefits fully. It would make it that corporations/alliances would have to take an actual look if the benefits outweigh the costs.
What if current owners want to be able to mine the athanors that they own on alts? Like they do currently.
Then you can put everyone into the same corp and have no problems.
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What if I want to mine the athanor with alts in a corp separate from the one that owns the athanor?
Then you donât get to do what you want. Put your alts in the same corp as your main, problem solved.
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