CODE. announces February contest (win up to 12 billion isk)

[Xan_Staraider]

@R-0-B-0-C-O-P

• All it takes is a single person popping scouts to be annoying and effective.
• All it takes is a single person warping 2 characters to the wreck to loot into a DST
• All it takes is a handful of players to kill Bump Machs
• All it takes is some organization and creativity. I’ve seen you say it here and in the Wardec Project Discord that anti-ganking lacks organization. I’ve also read it from dozens others in the gank-intel channel… If literally all it comes down to is the difference in level of dedication, then what really is there to complain about?

The difference IS their level of dedication. I’ve said this a thousand times about ag…

They lack the courage of their convictions.

Most anti-gankers are too lazy to actually do anything. They are afk. You can’t ecm, loot, or do anything if your afk. Well actually you can fail non-stop daily. They do do that.

Some in ag actually believe that ganking is an act of EVIL and will never ever pop scouts or gank a mach, the leaders of the anti-gankers, Knowledgeminer, Bloodybear, and Thomas en Chasteaux all fall into this category. “It’s not their play-style mate”.

Even though destroying stuff it is both fun to do, emotionally therapeutic, and one step closer to them following the Code. They would be less toxic if they would try to kill stuff more often. They can even try to kill my scout, I welcome the challenge, and would give them a gf if they killed him. (His name is Major Min3r by the way).

Many anti-gankers actually believe it is more effective to petition CCP to ban gankers on false charges and to petition CCP for additional nerfs.

They don’t believe in playing the game. They don’t believe in Eve. They want to turn it into a themepark game like so many other MMOs.

James 315 knew what he was talking about when he wrote his manifestos, he was right then, and he is still right today.

Let me tell you why people are killing highsec miners. A manifesto. - EVE...

How highsec miners threaten EVE, and how we can stop them. Manifesto II. - ...

Praise James! Praise the mighty CODE. alliance! \o/

[Dracvlad]

Your post is rather amusing, you are sprouting nonsense, I happen to know that Thomas has set up ganks of bumpers, and of course Knowledgeminer does not do anything in terms of freighter ganking, so ganking would not be part of his mode of operation.

Speaking of which he has been kicking the shite out of Anyanka Funk, now that is great…

After that I stopped reading, seemed like a waste of my time.

[Xan_Staraider]

LOL! That one hit bone didn’t it? Cause I am absolutely right. XD

[Dracvlad]

If you think you are right after that then what can I say, lmao…, I am laughing while typing this, fecking hell mate.

Just toddle along and look at Knowledgeminers killboard and then think about how you made yourself look.

Why don’t you double down, if you think he is so bad, head to Hek or Balle and take him on, should be good for a laugh.

And by the way he is winning this competition easily.

[Xan_Staraider]

LOL! You keep editing your post!

I hope Knowledgeminer doesn’t come to a system where we’re ganking… like Balle or something. Maybe he’d stop us…

oh wait… he didn’t.

But you could look at my killboard and know that we are active in Balle too.

Why don’t YOU fleet up with him and help him out? Do you lack the courage of your convictions? By the look of your killboard I would say so.

Why don’t you ask Thomas why he doesn’t participate in mach kills, aside from the occasional warp in?

My response is still spot on.

Praise James!

[Tipa_Riot]

@Xan_Staraider

My response is still spot on.

Except the role play part I have to agree.

[Dom_Arkaral]

Inb4 you’re projecting

Draccie hates when he’s wrong, but we like it since he delivers more salt than we can handle safely

[Dracvlad]

I was laughing so hard that it was a bit incoherent so had to add things.

You think Knowledgeminer lacks conviction, and you pinned that on him because he did not gank bumpers, but as he does not get involved in that and you should know that it was an incorrect statement, but you seem to be backing off of that now. He is pretty relentless, you have no idea about him.

I saw a couple of kills on your killboard in Balle, will be interesting at some point.

@Xan_Staraider

Why don’t YOU fleet up with him and help him out? Do you lack the courage of your convictions? By the look of your killboard I would say so.

I did for a bit, went and had a good look at what he did too, however my active game time is not when most gankers like you are out and about and I freely admit that in terms of this I lack conviction. Because for me anyone not using a skiff or a Procurer is an idiot, so why should I? I am in Khafis, why have you not come and ganked me? When you talk about conviction.

As for Thomas I know why he does not gank gankers, he does other things, but he has nothing against ganking gankers.

Your response showed ignorance on Knowledgeminer and is not spot on at all.

Praise my ass. Trying to have a joke, don’t take offense please.

@Tipa_Riot

Except the role play part I have to agree.

Well as Knowldegeminer does not get involved in freighter ganking Ag stuff at all then ganking is not something he would do. So you are agreeing to rubbish in terms of him.

[Knowledgeminer]

@Xan_Staraider

Some in ag actually believe that ganking is an act of EVIL and will never ever pop scouts or gank a mach, the leaders of the anti-gankers, Knowledgeminer, Bloodybear, and Thomas en Chasteaux all fall into this category.

[Omitted a lot more ■■■■■■■■ about “they”, where “they” apparently includes me as well]

Me what? I thought you knew me a little better, but I’m pretty sure now you have no idea what you’re talking about…

@Xan_Staraider

I hope Knowledgeminer doesn’t come to a system where we’re ganking… like Balle or something.

LOL, what? I’m actually actively looking for gankers in my area of operation all the time, but I can hardly find any that don’t stay docked, log off or go away after camping them for a while. It’s only big overkill gangs that I cannot really do anything about.

@Xan_Staraider

Maybe he’d stop us…

oh wait… he didn’t.

Exactly, that’s the only thing you’ve said about me that’s right. I may or may not stop you… As in I may make a mistake or choose to loot the wreck instead, LOL… You know who looted that Mackinaw you ganked in Balle while I was there, right?

And before someone posts more nonsense here, no, I’m not claiming I may stop any gank or deny the loot in all cases, I certainly cannot do it against an overkill and well organised gang, but so what? That doesn’t change the fact that your last comments about me in this thread are total ■■■■■■■■…

[Dom_Arkaral]

Obligatory: Miner, calm down.

[Solonius_Rex]

@Dracvlad

It is all about he context of hisec, in nullsec I can remove the tackle in hisec I cannot.

What? Yes you can.

@Dracvlad

All that proves is that they have so much ISK that they don’t care.

In other words, they get no ISK benefit from ganking empty freighters. My point is proven.

@Dracvlad

Well to compete the defender would have to plex the same number of accounts, but without all that loot. If you are telling me that does not matter than I have to raise my eyebrows at that and frown a little…

Not the same number of accounts. It takes a quarter of the gankers in logistic ships to save freighters.

No one is saying that ganking is super duper hard, and almost impossible. Its not. To those trained, elite PVPers, its become fairly easy now.

But when you compare it to the amount of effort it would take to save the freighter, its even less so. Freighter Pilots and AG need a fraction of the people, and only have to keep the freighter alive for 25 seconds to survive the gank, and cost the Gankers hundreds of millions, even billions in damages.

@Dracvlad

It is irrelevant because it is based on rewards.

Yes, and the reward for the freighter pilot is that he doesnt lose billions of isk. Sometimes tens of billions of isk.

Why dont the freighter pilots who survive, offer their isk to the AGers?

@Dracvlad

Not at all, you are missing the reason why there are no AG players with a vast number of alts.

Reward in terms of ISK? Sure. But ask around in the AG chat channel. Their reward is foiling the gank and making the Gankers lose isk, and not the other way around.

You are too centered around ISK making. Making ISK isnt the only form of reward.

@Dracvlad

So how does the AG player fund this vast number of alts to be able to compete? If that is a weakness in my argument, I hate to see what a strong point in my argument is.

I dont consider 5 alts as vast. I have 12 accounts, only 3 have ganker alts. Most eve players who have been here for a long time, have multiple accounts.

But thats the great thing about being an AGer. Theres no penalty.

My ganking alts are just that. Alts used for ganking. They have -10.0 sec status and a lot of killrights, so i cant move them around hisec to do anything other than ganking. I cant mine in hisec. I cant haul in hisec. I cant do anything other than moving quickly from station to station, or station to target.

An AG alt, doesnt have to worry about this. They can do it on their main. They receive no sec status penalty, no killrights, nothing. Which means that they can just as easily switch from AG to running missions or mining or hauling. Anyone can enter and become AG for any reason, and leave, for any reason, with zero, ZERO impact on their gameplay from before and after. And many do.

Thats another positive for AG and a negative for gankers. We need dedicated alts for ganking. AGers, do not.

[Solonius_Rex]

@Dracvlad

The DCU impact to the freighter EHP was a different event.

Actually, no.

https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=468977&find=unread

The impact is Freighters, but we like to pair buff and nerfs to suicide ganking to keep things in balance, and after the February Wreck HP change these ships can handle a bit more tank without the “predator and prey” environment being thrown out of whack.

So yes, they had the wreck HP change balance in mind as well. Straight from the Devs mouth.

[Xan_Staraider]

I know you, and you know I’m right.

When are you going to switch sides and help save High Sec?

Stop protecting the criminally ignorant and the people who don’t care enough, like Dracvlad.

[Solstice_Projekt]

@Solonius_Rex

so i cant move them around hisec to do anything other than ganking.

You can show off your Tempest, or Rokh, bouncing around on grid making it very clear to everyone that the -10 nutjob flying a battleship sure as ■■■■ is going to use it if anyone asks for it.

… uuuhhh … nevermind me, I’m just being nostalgic.

[Dracvlad]

Oh dear, thanks for that link, I was looking for that to put Dom right.

That was the DCU change which they were not going to put on freighters, but when the changed the EHP of wrecks they decided to apply it to freighters to balance off against it.

You were talking about the addition of low modules which was a different event and which reduced the tank and cargo capacity from what it was before and you could fit to either or.

That thread confirmed what I said.

[Knowledgeminer]

@Xan_Staraider

I know you, and you know I’m right.

I don’t see how you may say this after saying that I “believe that ganking is an act of EVIL” and a lot of other ■■■■■■■■. And just so you know, that you think you’re right about anything you said about me (other than I may or may not stop a gank) doesn’t make you look any smarter…

@Xan_Staraider

When are you going to switch sides and help save High Sec?

Who cares? I’m useless anyway, so why would anyone care whether I fight one side or another?

[Xan_Staraider]

It’s a well known fact that a single agent of the New Order is a great catalyst for change and for good in High Sec.

And I’m glad you got the loot. We aren’t pirates you know. We’re vigilantes.

[Dracvlad]

@Solonius_Rex

What? Yes you can.

How many accounts do I need to do that? Seriously you think that to move a freighter around you must have say nine accounts, well well…

@Solonius_Rex

In other words, they get no ISK benefit from ganking empty freighters. My point is proven.

If they made so much ISK that they can do it for fun that shows the difference, the AG don’t have that level of ISK.

@Solonius_Rex

Not the same number of accounts. It takes a quarter of the gankers in logistic ships to save freighters.

Now that depends n a number of factors.

@Solonius_Rex

No one is saying that ganking is super duper hard, and almost impossible. Its not. To those trained, elite PVPers, its become fairly easy now.

Bumping makes it too easy, I like how you guys ganked JF’s if normal freighters had to be ganked the same way I would be happy.

@Solonius_Rex

But when you compare it to the amount of effort it would take to save the freighter, its even less so. Freighter Pilots and AG need a fraction of the people, and only have to keep the freighter alive for 25 seconds to survive the gank, and cost the Gankers hundreds of millions, even billions in damages.

Ho hum, the bumping means that you end up getting an accurate assessment of what is there, then you just add more bods or put people in higher DPS to compensate. The bumping side of it makes it too predictable.

@Solonius_Rex

Yes, and the reward for the freighter pilot is that he doesnt lose billions of isk. Sometimes tens of billions of isk.

Why dont the freighter pilots who survive, offer their isk to the AGers?

Some do, I had a NCDOT JF pilot give me 1bn for bumping his JF out of optimal so it survived. He then cynoed out.

@Solonius_Rex

Reward in terms of ISK? Sure. But ask around in the AG chat channel. Their reward is foiling the gank and making the Gankers lose isk, and not the other way around.

You are too centered around ISK making. Making ISK isnt the only form of reward.

It is a question of resources and ability to replace losses, you keep ignoring that as if it is unimportant, it matters.

@Solonius_Rex

I dont consider 5 alts as vast. I have 12 accounts, only 3 have ganker alts. Most eve players who have been here for a long time, have multiple accounts.

You don’t but most casual hisec players do.

@Solonius_Rex

But thats the great thing about being an AGer. Theres no penalty.

My ganking alts are just that. Alts used for ganking. They have -10.0 sec status and a lot of killrights, so i cant move them around hisec to do anything other than ganking. I cant mine in hisec. I cant haul in hisec. I cant do anything other than moving quickly from station to station, or station to target.

An AG alt, doesnt have to worry about this. They can do it on their main. They receive no sec status penalty, no killrights, nothing. Which means that they can just as easily switch from AG to running missions or mining or hauling. Anyone can enter and become AG for any reason, and leave, for any reason, with zero, ZERO impact on their gameplay from before and after. And many do.

Thats another positive for AG and a negative for gankers. We need dedicated alts for ganking. AGers, do not.

And that is the reason why most AG do not gank the bumper.

[Aiko_Danuja]

“> I happen to know that Thomas has set up ganks of bumpers, and of course Knowledgeminer does not do anything in terms of freighter ganking”

Yes, Thomas may have done something, a few times, here or there. However, we do this daily. You have to actually play the game, rather than merely try it out, in order to get better. As for Knowledgeminer, he has a long list of things he does not do, and places he will not go. When you artificially constrain your options, it is hard to get out of your box. It’s not that Knowledgeminer hates ganking, or thinks its evil, but he voluntarily restrains himself from taking more effective action.

As for Thomas I know why he does not gank gankers, he does other things, but he has nothing against ganking gankers."

Typical AG mentality, “we could win, because we have nothing against winning, we just have other things to do…”

opposing ganks is just not fun, and not profitable (for the person doing the anti-ganking job). The later also because it is trivial to avoid ganks, and nobody will pay an anti-ganker.

Herein lies the problem. If you don’t enjoy anti-ganking, you are already demoralized. We aren’t the problem, it’s you who chooses to fail at something you don’t even enjoy. Meanwhile, you are ‘protecting’ the stupidest and laziest players, who have no desire to get better. A long time ago, I offered to join AG, and I meant it. My only stipulation, was that your billion isk freighter tycoon had better be willing to pay a tax to support the navy. When I realized you people refuse to pay anything, I decided to start collecting taxes, except I would no longer offer protection.

"Knowledgeminer has been kicking the shite out of Anyanka Funk, now that is great…

Here, we see another misconception. Knowledgeminer is so predictable, that it is trivial to avoid him altogether. Anyanka isn’t getting beat up and wrecked, angry and frustrated by her failures. She is voluntarily providing him with content. It’s more like charity work. She enjoys the added challenge of deliberately engaging with Knowledgeminer, whereas a soy drinker like me would just bypass the nuisance altogether.

[Dracvlad]

Your post made me smile, that was beautifully written.