Combat and DED Sites Fits for T3C After Changes


(Jaded Juno) #1

So it’s a little early for this, seeing as the changes won’t be live for another hour or so but I’m sort of at an impasse. I fly a Proteus and a Legion on two different characters and want to do some low/null combat and DED sites for isk generation. The Tengu is obviously the preferred choice but I’d rather not spend another ~2 months training into the hull and almost perfect missile skills.

Has anyone had any luck running these sites in either the Proteus or Legion (or both) prior to the changes or on SISI testing the new patch and what fits do you think would be optimal? Should I just give it up and cross train into the Tengu or is there still hope?

Keep in mind I’d probably be dual boxing for more DPS in sites/protection against hunters. Prefer lasers and rails if possible, if not blasters would be fine.

Thanks in advance. Excuse my newbroness, coming back in the last few weeks after a 3-4 year hiatus.


(Zhilia Mann) #2

I used a Legion extensively prior to the changes:

[Legion, exploration killer]
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Centum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector

I haven’t played with a replacement on sisi but basic theorycrafting says the concept is still viable.


(FlipMoe Squad) #3

Before t3’s, ishtars tore apart 8/10’s easily, a 10/10 might require a warp out or 2. I wouldn’t use a t3 unless maybe 4/10…but I haven’t played in yrs.


(Zhilia Mann) #4

It shows. t3s haven’t been allowed in 4/10s for years.


(Zhilia Mann) #5

I’m tentatively swapping over to this:

[Legion, explo]
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane
Centum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink

Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Heavy Beam Laser II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher
Heavy Beam Laser II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II

Legion Core - Augmented Antimatter Reactor
Legion Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Wake Limiter

Sisters Combat Scanner Probe x8
Optimal Range Script x3
Tracking Speed Script x3
Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x13
Aurora M x12
Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M x21
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16
Gleam M x12

I’m not sure I want it in a 5/10 but I see no problems in 6/10 and 7/10. Higher level and you’ll likely want to play around with other options.


(Jaded Juno) #6

Thanks @Zhilia_Mann for the fit. I’m at 482.1 dps and 17,64 EHP with 76/69/44/60 armor resists, but I’m not at all 5’s either. 600m/s with an optimal of 25km, falloff of 40km with navy multifreq. Is that EHP kind of low or is that just me? Maybe I should run this on sisi first before I lose 700m in ship/fit.


(Zhilia Mann) #7

My skills – which I think are perfect now? – I’m getting 538 DPS at 51+16 or 717 DPS at 29+16. So yeah; I’m guessing you really need to get your offensive subsystem skills up.

As for defense: don’t care about EHP. I’m showing this fit tanking ~320 against Blood Raiders, which honestly I’m not that thrilled with but it should do for most of what I need. I’ll carry another defensive sub for 5/10s until I figure out if I’m screwed on sisi.

By the by, Proteus fits nearly the same:

[Proteus, deds]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane

10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator II
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Proteus Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Core - Augmented Fusion Reactor
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Encoding Platform
Proteus Propulsion - Chassis Optimization

More damage, less range, slightly worse cap. My concern on this one is it’s just slow.

Loki can also do a ridiculous armor fit along these lines:

[Loki, BR test arties armor]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane

Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Thukker Medium Cap Battery

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator I

Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Acolyte II x5

Lower damage, sure, but 720s are so damn efficient that I can’t complain. Stable. Highly tanky (for what I need). Fast. I like it.


(Tvashnar Crendraven) #8

This rig looks superfluous; what is it doing for this fit ?


(Zhilia Mann) #9

Left over from the old fit. Definitely don’t need it now; Legion has more grid than it knows what to do with the Antimatter Reactor. Not that I’m complaining. Safest bet is probably a T1 nano pump, at which point it reps about like my old fit.

I’m still concerned about the increased sig, but the speed boost is probably enough to make up for it. Loss of lock time and range is annoying but I can’t see justifying dropping a heat sink to get the Dissolution Sequencer back on there.


(Jaded Juno) #10

Tried a site in a Proteus. IT DID NOT GO WELL. Might just need to adjust for reps though. I took 9k damage. Still theory crafting though. Will try again on SISI or something.


(Jeremiah Saken) #11

What level of the site?


(Jaded Juno) #12

Supposedly, unless Eve Uni’s information is out of date, only a 6/10. Being warped directly into the center didn’t help either. Ill have to pull my web history when I get a chance a little later.


(Zhilia Mann) #13

Which one? Because if it was Serpentis that’s to be expected.


(Salvos Rhoska) #14

Can you please post the stats of your Loki build?


(Zhilia Mann) #15

I ended up tweaking it a bit. Looks about like this now:

[Loki, exploration armor]

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane

Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[Empty High slot]

Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II
Medium Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
[Empty Rig slot]

Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor
Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

542 DPS at 29+54. Tanks like a beast for BR/Sansha. Happens to be cap stable on top of it. Volley is almost too high; 5174 if you use all five guns.

Haven’t had it out much yet. The Legion posted above does fine; 6/10 completion time is up a bit but since it no longer requires a refit from a probing setup I think it comes out in a wash.


(Salvos Rhoska) #16

[quote=“Zhilia_Mann, post:15, topic:9615, full:true”]
Tanks like a beast for BR/Sansha.[/quote]

Hmm, but that is only BR/Sansha.

Im looking at this for Angels:

[Loki, **HAM]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Small Shield Booster II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
100MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor
Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter

‘Augmented’ Warrior x8

Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile x660

Swap HAM for HML on ranged rooms.

Havent tested in practice, but Id hope the huge speed tanks sufficiently.

The projectile/armor builds seem pretty crap compared to the missile/shield builds if you ask me.

Especially with 100mn builds which impair projectiles but aid missiles.

Loki is a whole new kind of schizophrenic now between not only shield/armor, but projectile/missiles as well.


(Zhilia Mann) #17

I was considering something like this for Angels. It’s kind of a weird fit:

[Loki, exploration shield]

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Pith C-Type Large Shield Booster
10MN Afterburner II
Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Thukker Medium Cap Battery
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
[Empty High slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II

Loki Core - Immobility Drivers
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter

Webs out to 31.5km, beyond the optimal for the arties. Only 443 DPS, which is kind of ■■■■. Tank is certainly sufficient for most purposes though.

I really haven’t found a shield/arty fit I love yet. HAM may be the way to go. Not sure on the 100MN though simply because it lacks the agility you need to keep the missiles in range.

Why the small shield booster on that fit? If you’re going with a small it had best be deadspace, at least a pithi B-type. Otherwise just put a large on there; it looks like a C5-L fits and is still technically stable.

I’d personally swap the damage control for a missile guidance enhancer as well. Application can be a bitch on Angels and the bit of extra range doesn’t hurt.


(Zhilia Mann) #18

A couple of minutes in pyfa gave me this:

[Loki, **HAM]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Enhancer II

Shield Boost Amplifier II
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Pithum A-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier
Pithum B-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
100MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Javelin Heavy Assault Missile
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher
[Empty High slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Loki Core - Augmented Nuclear Reactor
Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Wake Limiter

whatever drones.

Resist amps are cheap and make up for the damage control, large booster is stable, jav missiles get out to 42.7km. Still don’t like the look of 32 second align but it’s an interesting concept.


(Mykal Day) #19

32… second… that’s crazy. Is that with the 100MN AB running? I have to imagine the allign time drops significantly if you’re out of AB cycle.


(Matt Benneth) #20

This is what I’ve been using for Sansha after changes.

[Loki, Sansha PVE Hams]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery
Gist X-Type EM Ward Field
Gist X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Small Tractor Beam II

Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II

Loki Defensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Core - Dissolution Sequencer
Loki Offensive - Launcher Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Acolyte II x5
Acolyte II x3

Its basically better Tengu in almost every way. Does more dps but with one less launcher and 5 small drones so your missile stock will last you longer. And it has utility high :slight_smile: