As I found with the bumping issue, most gankers want easy play that makes it more like a cake walk or enables them to multi-box effectively.
If they want lowsec, they should go to lowsec, instead they moan about how bad it is in hisec.
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lol here comes the echo chamber
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I think they should get rid of Concord, change high-sec and low-sec into NPC null. At least that way players won’t be under any illusion of what the game is about.
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I don’t mind it as an idea, as long as it is also balanced by a “chicken little” response, if someone calls in CONCORD and there is no threat to them, then any subsequent CONCORD response should be longer.
Otherwise, whether under threat or not, every miner in a system could just spam the “Hey Mr CONCORD” call, which would be pretty crap as an outcome.
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They could program an AHK script to constantly request CONCORD assistance without manual input in order to ensure that they’re effectively at the keyboard 100% of the time. You know, like they already do with the act of mining the asteroids.
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Yeah, although balancing around botting is difficult, and hopefully they get caught and just banned.
There’s also the possibility of the white knights just calling CONCORD in when gankers are active in Uedama, etc. Not even under any threat at all and they just call in CONCORD to get a 1.0 response time for haulers passing through. That would also be a pretty crap outcome (but I’m sure the white knights would love it).
@Ogariaz First put the corp/alliance your attackers belong to on your contact list, give them a nice status. For good measure, check zkillboard for other known ganker groups and do the same.
Second, pull out the local channel from the channel window, narrow it so you only see the names in Local (and show only names, not portraits). If any gankers come into your system, you’ll spot them at a glance, giving you time to tippytoe to safety.
Third, learn to gather some intel. The ingame map can be used to find systems with ganking. Zkillboard and eve eye can be used for the same, with lots more detail.
Fourth, if you notice from point three that you try to mine in popular ganking systems, move to other areas.
Getting ganked is 99% a consequence of your own choices. Killing ships in EvE is one of the game’s purposes.
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I would suggest a cool down based on how often they mis-use it.
It is good that people have moved on from attacking him and actually thinking through what he suggested in an intelligent way.
As for the white knight comment (I have Destiny blocked), that could happen of course, so a cool down with some sort of counter on misuse would create counter play and what not, but it would make it a bit less mechanical and certain for the gankers.
While I can see this as something that could work for the players who have something about them, many players would not play. The balance of any game is keeping paying customers engaged, not driving them away, many Eve players just like pottering about and not doing PvP no matter how much the shrills scream about it not being Eve. I would think doing that would cut out perhaps 60% of the player base at a wild guess of course.
The difficulty in a cool down is also that this is also exploitable the other way.
Gankers could put an alt in system and spam the mechanic in order to force a cooldown on the system and completely nullify the mechanic.
That would be a very difficult thing for CCP to get right.
A cool down on the player who called them in.
Doesn’t that defeat the:
TBH, I doubt CCP would implement this ever on a per-character level. Then you could have 1 character that gets a 1.0 response and another sitting right next to them, even at the keyboard, who doesn’t. That seems a bit janky (and also more for the server to keep track of).
You should really be thinking along the lines of ‘what can I do about this’ rather than ‘what should CCP do about this’
My advise is to start doing missions, firstly you’ll earn more ISK doing these and secondly (hopefully) you’ll notice that in some dead space pockets their are some quite nice clusters of asteroids. You’ll find it’s safer to mine these, notice I said safer and not safe!
You’ll notice (hopefully )that these pockets are accessed by acceleration gates which means gankers can’t warp directly to you which gives you time to escape before they can attack you.
The other thing is to find a good corporation with members who can talk common sense to you and give you help replacing any losses you suffer.
Also theirs a huge number of systems in Empire space and its really not hard to find a quite system where you can mine in peace.
No he doesn’t, lmao. He’s replied to me over a dozen times since the first time he proclaimed to the world that he blocked me. Over a dozen! Carebears are such drama queens - they always do this. They’ll lose arguments and then “block” you for “trolling” to save face, but very quickly forget their own narratives. Sad!
Anyway, it’s also not surprising that the person who has staunchly advocated for permanent consequences for ganking thinks that abusing hypothetical instantly-teleporting, death-ray-shooting po-po panic buttons should only give players a “cool down.”
Can’t make this stuff up!
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Yes and No. “in the old days” one could neut gates and “gate signs” and tank Concord. A corp, m0o, shut down many of the high sec trade routes for days on end.
Can flipping was pretty easy and solo ganking miners wasn’t very difficult, especially against the “bots” or back then called “macro miners”. Although, admittedly many were not bots, just players that didn’t understand the earlier agro mechanics.
Wars were more common and didn’t cost as much as they do now. If you had a corp of more than 10 players, you could be pretty sure of a war dec once a month. There was no such thing as a corp being ineligible for war.
There were far fewer suicide ganks, and most of the ones that occurred were done by many players at once. These days its most often one player with multiple accounts.
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Concord =/= Police/cops.
Concord does not spawn to prevent crimes from happening, if in HiSec, Thats what the Faction Police are for, if said criminal is on their radar. FacPo can be avoided though.
Concord the Judge, Jury, Executioner. A crime happened, so now Concord will punish the criminal.
See a difference. you cannot call concord for help, because they are not protectors. They are punishers.
The ONLY exploit currently in regards to Concord, is delaying them.
OP, you will not get what you are asking, simply because Concord doesn’t care about you, either before or after a gank, they don’t care. They care about someone assclown committing a crime, and stopping them, but they don’t care about the victim.
Nah. Concord are just Legal over powered Gankers.
While CONCORD forces do react quickly and with force, they do not have a mandate to protect attacked players and as such will not necessarily be able to prevent eventual losses if attackers can field sufficient firepower to destroy their targets before CONCORD can intervene. CONCORD should therefore be regarded as a force of retribution, not one of protection.
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No it does not, because that is the result of successfully having a CONCORD scout ship on location. Go back and read what I suggested.
And it is fairly easy to programme, for example why is this any different to an aggression timer?
Thiiiiis. Everyone forgets we lost half our player-base in 2016 TO PVP NERFS. THEN, CCP released free to play and the player numbers stayed the same. Meaning CCP probably lost a good portion of their subs and gained nothing. Why would they do this? Because CCP has switched to a chinese business model that SUPPORTS BOTTING.
I guarantee you in 2021 50% of the logged in playerbase is BOTS and CCP WANTS IT THAT WAY. CCP doesn’t care about the player experience, all they care about are bots and whales because that’s what makes them the most money with the least amount of effort.
And shilling white knights like @Githany_Red and @Renly_Rohan do more harm to this game than anyone. We ALL need to hold CCP accountable, shilling for them on the forums when they’re basically scamming you out of your sub money does more damage to this game than any PvP ever will.
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I look forward to the carebear whining about how they got baited into an illegal act of aggression and now their character is permanently stripped of CONCORD protection.
High security New Eden is on the level of a ghetto and isn’t remotely high security.
Utter nonsense. Highsec is far safer than any other place in EVE and the dangers are minimal if you’re smart. The fact that EVE’s dumbest players continue to find ways to lose ships no matter how much safety CCP gives them does not make the name misleading.
Utter nonsense. Smart and capable players are involved in these things, and they understand how destruction creates demand. Do not confuse the failure and whining of EVE’s dumbest players with the standard that better players are capable of.
And this is why you fail at EVE. You have nonsensical moral principles instead of ruthless capitalism. Smarter industry players do what is necessary to make ISK. They sell new mining/hauling ships to people like you, and they sell new Catalysts and blasters to the people who will gank your new ships.