If bounty values in nulls can swing between 30% and 120% i’d imagine some groups would just pick up stakes for the logistical stability of L4 mission hubs.
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im yet to get any bounties in T Space
What part of “cheap T1 BC” do you not understand? Are farmers like you incapable of understanding the concept of flying efficient ships instead of obsessing over OMG HUEG TICKS?
Since when was calling for nerfs become a copasetic thing in the EVE community anyways?
Since nullbears have been making economy-distorting levels of ISK from farming. This nerf is long overdue.
You’re literally being penalized for being smart.
No. You’re being penalized for being dumb. Refusing to adapt to the new rules is not being smart. And what was smart under the old rules is not necessarily still smart under the new rules.
Then, praytell, how is it you make your isk?
Solo nullsec farming mostly. Unlike you I’m not a helpless perma-victim who threatens to ragequit about every possible threat, I just learn to adapt and continue winning.
Because ratters generally rat and aren’t in fleets for pvp… How is that not obvious?
It’s obvious, and it’s not what I asked. Why is your alliance incapable of offering a SRP?
No you brought up to another player that this game is PVP and then turned in an argument to me and said “PVE” as if you can PVE without PVP in this game.
What does that have to do with anything? You replied to my comment about successful players making ISK in PvE with “BUT SRPS”, and SRPs have nothing to do with PvE farming income.
Working as intended. When they ragequit and go home bounties will increase for the people who remain.
I’m advocating that null, low, and high sec should have these dynamic bounty systems. It seems krab refugees are just going to move to low or high sec and stick to one system all over again.
LMAO!
- Use a real ratting ship as an example. Though I’m sure you can find a ratting fit for it.
- Sub caps can pull 40 mil an hour easy if you are competent. So let’s assume a 4 hour day. 160 Mil. So 1.25 days to produce that 200 Mil you wanted to use.
Your problem is not super cap ratting being nerfed. It’s being incompetent in sub caps
What part of the cheaper you go the less you make do you not understand? Hell, you get too cheap, the fking NPC’s become a threat! Hey! But why not, let’s just all rat in rookie ships, right? That’s what you want. Just be honest with your augment here.
Nullbears keep it stable, we have since 2006 that I’m aware of. Again, this is a HIGHLY studied economy - it was in my own textbook in college for micro-economics.
The last time I heard that line highsec wars/pvp was nerfed and there were a lot of tears. I wonder if they’ll nerf the nullsec pvp the same way? Maybe nullbears should start buzzing in the dev’s ears about that now.
And you do realize that in order for you to make isk under this system, you have to take your operation to a system where someone just lost their super ratting (which makes the area hotter than a - nvm)? Do you even know what you’re asking for here?
It’s a renter alliance - profits and proceeds go to the main alliance that’s off in Delve fighting… You know it funds those kinds of wars so they can replace their stuff. Just wait until your alliance can’t afford those programs because their renters are either gone or the demand is so low the income is chump change (and they get rid of renters entirely - which hey, I’m fine with, I got another alliance on the back burner I’m the executor of and enosis, ihubs, and ■■■■ ready to roll out - but hey, who cares?)
It has everything to do with it if you can’t keep your argument consistent. If you have to argument from one side of the room for one person and the other side for another, then you have no position to defend.
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No you can’t, you don’t have the DPS. Ratting income is about dps. The more dps you have the less of a PVP fit you have. Even marauders can barely pull off 40 mil/hr consistently - a vigilant with 2-5% of the DPS and tank ability (meaning less bounty payouts per kill/dps), 8mil/day is generous. Or are you going to argue that you should use an “expensive fit”? Trust me, I’m WAITING for that argument to land on grid here.
I rat in a PVP fit nyx. No ■■■■. I get about 40m per tick with about 5k dps. That’s 20,000,000 ehp, sure, but my friends are all out earning that 1b per day in their pve fits with 8k dps and 6,000,000 ehp ships.
You know what the difference is? I make less isk. We both have the same risk of death, takes 4 supers (which is what is generally dropped) about 3 mins to kill him and 10 min to kill me. Rats are hardly a threat to our shield tanks. The only difference is, I make less isk.
You keep going on about how we shouldn’t be playing it safe, well - under EVE rules, we shouldn’t undock after the first death because most of us can only afford to replace our ■■■■ once.
some people ask me
“tutucox , why you hate null sec bears so much ?”
i tell them - its nothing against them per se, but i have some friends who are null sec bears and they cry all the time , threaten to leave the game to play the division , say CCP only job is to nerf them and yet they are rich AF , never take any risks… I guess I’m to tough on the other because of my friends …
Another example of CCP taking ISK from players. Keep it going, run us into the ground. How about focus on the game not the ISK/Plex generation? MIght want to focus on increasing player base instead of sucking what you can out of the loyalists.
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What part of “the cheaper your ships are the less you need to make” do you not understand? A T1 BC is essentially free (thanks to full insurance coverage) and perfectly capable of killing NPCs. You’ll replace it after what, 15 minutes of farming work? An hour or two if you go for a full T2 fit?
Nullbears keep it stable, we have since 2006 that I’m aware of. Again, this is a HIGHLY studied economy - it was in my own textbook in college for micro-economics.
And that extensive study is why everyone understood that nullsec ISK faucets needed to be nerfed. The only question was whether or not CCP was going to have the balls to stand up to nullbears like you and ignore your (mostly impotent) threats to mass ragequit over having your broken thing taken away.
The last time I heard that line highsec wars/pvp was nerfed and there were a lot of tears.
Are you incapable of understanding the difference between a long overdue nerf to something that is overpowered and a clumsy attempt to pander to players who probably aren’t going to stay in EVE anyway?
And you do realize that in order for you to make isk under this system, you have to take your operation to a system where someone just lost their super ratting
{citation needed}
It’s a renter alliance - profits and proceeds go to the main alliance that’s off in Delve fighting…
Cool. So you have ties to a major alliance with a SRP. Why can’t you convince them to help you in return? Do they not consider your recruitment struggles to be a problem?
It has everything to do with it if you can’t keep your argument consistent.
There’s nothing inconsistent. You brought SRPs into something that has nothing to do with SRPs, I have consistently told you that your argument is irrelevant nonsense.
JFC you’re bad at this. A cheap T1 BC with full insurance and a T1 fit is doing way more than 2-5% of the DPS of a marauder. And 8 mil/day is laughable levels of incompetence. That’s a small fraction of what you can make with a T1 exploration frigate that costs less than a million ISK.
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the game have to much people , we don’t want to give a piece of our pie to new players so we have a agreement between the old players to scare all the noobs out
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And it tanks like a turd meaning you’re back to T1 mission grinding. Dude, if you want an entire group of folks to quit eve, why not just say so? Why not just be honest and tell them you don’t want them to play the game at all?
What part circular argument don’t you understand? Cheapening the ship for less isk making the replacement time equivocal achieves nothing but putting ratters in smaller ships forcing them into a big alliance to even hope to have anything bigger than a battleship. That’s called elitist ■■■■■■■■ right there.
No, the study said that the printing of isk kept the monetary value out of the hands of players that had amassed the majority of the isk in the game. You should go read it.
Oh, no you didn’t just go there, lol. I’ve been in a lot of corps in a lot of places and play-styles to know that the revolving door in nullsec is a much faster process than in high-sec. If there is one thing that is consistent is the friends I have in highsec mining corps still play this game.
Change my mind.
You obviously haven’t a clue how it works.
You made the argument that we could just PVE after just telling someone there was no such thing and that this was a PVP game. That’s inconsistency - that’s shifting your goal posts to fit a narrative. Please stop it. You said that like there is no risk in certain places in nullsec and it’s simply bs. Even if the risk is low (not 0) in some places in nullsec, it’s balanced out by being horrible space and crap ratting. There is a reason why ratters seek out -1.0 space which is where everyone likes to hunt ratters and miners.
Point being, the current system is already balanced as-is. It takes 1 player to be called on intel for every ship in an entire region to dock up or warp to a pos. And that means no isk. I’m fine with that because as I said, it’s a balance.
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There are two kinds of people in EVE:
Successful players look at adversity like this, decide that they want to beat the challenges of nullsec, and figure out a way to do it even if it means flying cheap ships and making a bit less ISK/hour.
Perma-victims like you care only about ISK/hour and go back to highsec if you can’t get OMG HUEG TICKS and replace a supercapital every week.
I’ll let you see if you’re smart enough to figure out why your membership in the second group has you stuck in a renter alliance and whining on the forums about how hard everything is.
That’s called elitist ■■■■■■■■ right there.
Welcome to EVE. If you want to fly something bigger than a battleship you earn it. Until then perhaps you should spend less time on the forums whining about how difficult everything is and more time figuring out how to win with subcaps.
No, the study said that the printing of isk kept the monetary value out of the hands of players that had amassed the majority of the isk in the game. You should go read it.
Uh, sure, whatever. Since when is giving absurd ISK faucets to supercap farmers in the biggest alliances “keeping monetary value out of the elites”?
If there is one thing that is consistent is the friends I have in highsec mining corps still play this game.
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=confirmation+bias
Change my mind.
That’s not how this works. You made a claim about specific numbers and provided no evidence to support them, you don’t get to demand that I provide counter evidence to your empty speculation.
You made the argument that we could just PVE after just telling someone there was no such thing and that this was a PVP game. That’s inconsistency - that’s shifting your goal posts to fit a narrative. Please stop it. You said that like there is no risk in certain places in nullsec and it’s simply bs. Even if the risk is low (not 0) in some places in nullsec, it’s balanced out by being horrible space and crap ratting. There is a reason why ratters seek out -1.0 space which is where everyone likes to hunt ratters and miners.
NONE OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH SRPs.
Seriously, are you incapable of posting anything that isn’t off-topic nonsense?
It takes 1 player to be called on intel for every ship in an entire region to dock up or warp to a pos.
Only for perma-victim renters like you.
I rat well in my RHML Praxis, which gets ~900dps most of which out of the missiles and can tank hordes for 30mill ticks. Not bad if I do say so myself for a 60mill fit.
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BUT BUT CHIP_PATTON SAYS THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE YOU MUST BE LYING.
So CCP would be changing the parameter from «number of killmails in system» to «millions of ISK in capsuleer ships destroyed»
Chip Patton was flying next to me mere days ago when I was sat in a horde in my Praxis, he in his Nyx, me taking all the aggro and not even taking damage to my wax finish. Chip Patton is in my corp. If I’m lying so’s he and if you’re calling him out I’ll just go message him and he’ll confirm what I just said.
I’m reading this and realizing for the first time that null bear tears are just as delectable as high sec miner tears… perhaps more so.