No, we don’t. But that isn’t germaine to any of the issues I mentioned. We spent years mining and building up our industry based on having ore in Delve. Lots of it. Now there’s almost none. Now, our fleets of Rorqs really don’t even have a use, because there isn’t enough minerals in the largest nullsec mining anoms to build one battleship, and that was before they ripped out more minerals in the last change.
Supercarrier ratting—which is a thing we did—got pretty much gutted unless you were doing it in an area where hostiles had noplace to stage… like Oasa or Etherium Reach, or Perrigen Falls.
But you think we wanted our own economy absolutely decimated because we thought it’d hurt renters?
So we had a blackout, ore nerfed to hells hell! now rat bounties, I wonder what happens when null-sec players start voting with their wallets. Fewer subscriptions = less money in CCP’s pocket = less to pay for staff implementing daft ideas to null-sec.
If you’re trying to say that these nerfs aren’t specifically targeted at renters, which prop up your enemies, I wouldn’t be the one that’s high in this conversation.
The fact that you think you’ve provoked ‘rage’ is even funnier than all the rest of your stupidity. At most, you’ve gotten a couple of laughs out of me with just how amazingly wrong you are about everything. Like that bit about how long it takes to get Mastery V on a titan compared to literally every single subcap in the game.
These nerfs are not specifically targeted at renters. These nerfs are specifically targeted at nullsec ratters, miners, and industrialists.
Which means our enemies’ renters… and us. Because unlike the :elitepvp: crowd, we do our own mining and ratting. Or did you not pay any attention to the mining and ratting #s on the MER from early 2017 through to last June?
Here’s another point against your ‘its all about the renters’: the biggest area of ratting right now isn’t renters. It’s Fraternity. They’re the ones ratting their asses off in the Dronelands, not their renters.
Your own members have been arguing this entire time very differently - anti-renter this, anti-renter that, glade to see them gone this, etc.
Nearly every argument against this change mentions the word “renters” and the defense your own members create against it is “good riddance”. This indicates this nerf is targeting a specific type of alliance which your own members (again) have even confirmed over and over again in the course of this argument and you can’t admit for a moment they might be right?
I agree I decide to do a little mining dispite the nerfs the other day, I needed some T2 composites for some builds I had planned. Thougtht was mining enough to sell on market and fund the composite purchase. So i wandered into A HS system with 20+ belts. ALL belts where clear of any rocks containing Tritanium so was all the surrounding sytems. Nullsec has already made moves to HS
Just make the game subscription based and be honset they want a Star Citizen model
as a company for ship replacements.
So, I will say that you have no idea how to read zkill.
also, for the record, all of us in null sec, whether we are on the Imperium side or on PAPI side, we do risk all of our assets in this war, so please do not try and give us lessons
Look back in this conversation’s history. I’ve baited every one of your members here that’s replied to me into stating that this is in some way focused on renters. Again, the history is here for you and everyone else to see. I realize that my post history may seem a bit crazy at times, but I’m assuming you guys just figured out what I did.
Yes, I’m calling out CCP on this. I don’t blame you guys - I might do the same if I knew someone in CCP that would tip the scale’s in my alliance’s favor, I blame those who make the decisions at CCP. Just to be clear.
I don’t even know what your problem is. It doesn’t matter if it’s directly aimed at renters (unlikely) or if renters are just a collateral damage or even a beneficial side-effect. All that matters is that renters are vanishing, because that’s a good thing.
Right, because I did things like list out all the ship types you’d need to master, then cited the actual numbers for the Avatar and just one subcap, while you tossed around ad hominems. Definitely me being the childish one here.
Keep on whiffing.
And let’s see you show your work. Citations, please, for this happening with every change, as you indicated above?
Because yeah, our guys despise rental empires. We despise people making their ISK on someone else’s work, and we’re happy to see them go. But have you noticed how many people complaining about the change are also us? Or are you just confirmation-biasing this?
Because no, this doesn’t tip the scales in our favor. This doesn’t tip the scales in anyone’s favor. It just makes it harder for everyone in null… but we’re pretty confident that we’ll adapt better… cuz it’s what we do.
So, this discussion goes from “yeah it will hurt the renters” and “good riddance to the renters” to a complete U-turn to how much it will hurt goons and how it’s not targeting renters the moment I bring up that you have no renters? And I am the one in need of tin-foil?
lol you’re insufferable. I’ll concede the Mastery V point which wasn’t what I was getting at originally which was that subcaps can be skilled into quickly, supers take time, and that in itself is a hook that keeps people playing providing a clear goal to strive for. You can participate in subcap battles in a month, you won’t be dropping titans for years which is why when a supercap battle does happen, it feels like a big event which garners free press attention and Twitch viewers.
