No you did not.
You are still affirming that 60M/h is comparable to what you can do in HS L4s.
Just search in the forum, people tell you how to do 3…4 times that ?
And you still can’t accept you are wrong about those values.
You are correct about everything, I am wrong about everything, you won, can we please drop this now? Because this is starting to feel like bullying.
is it bullying because I point you have no idea what you are talking about ?
No, but pushing when I’ve already said you won and I have no interest in continuing is. Just take your chessboard and go.
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if you had no interest in continuing, you would not continue. You would not even say “you won”.
Those sentences of yours are just sarcastic affirmation that you are right, while you actually have no idea what you are talking about. They just mean that your pride is too big to be swallowed, that you don’t care about telling things that are false.
You indeed have no interest. In what is wrong or true. However you have interest on the appearance of truth and false.
I could even munch some 
reading all this… but to be honest this is just embarrassing and awkward to read instead. Could we move on back to the topic? 
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If there is bigger chance loot from sites people complain because it have low prices.
If there is lower chance of loot people complain because they cant get something from every site.
If event sites are too hard people complain that they cant do it.
If event sites are easier, people complain that rookies cant do it.
If the event is easy, people complain that its not a challenge and they made already the event without even noticing it.
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This, definitely.
IMO people complain, because they consider an event should be an additional source of isk for them.
ikr People even complain not just when a game is too expensive for their situation / taste / wallet / whatever. But literally saw a post where someone complained because a game is CHEAPER than he expected. 
Why $40?
Just curious about the price point. I’m not averse to paying less for games, but it’s kind of ingrained in me now to think that if a game isn’t $60 on release, then it’s lacking in content or features.
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I cant complain about people doing that, it would be hypocrisy. Since Shadow of the Serpent people used to farm sites with intend to sell spare loot for dank ISK. Its something normal.
This is why people say eve is like a second job, because people make it that way.
This event has been one of the best. It made people think, and it separated the wheat (people who can solve challenges) from the chaff (people who can’t pve at all unless there is a guide and someone tells them exactly how to fit their ship lol). And yet the complaints keep rolling in.
I’ve had pve players argue with me because I advocate for “normal” pve over the overly fancy stuff people ask for (but don’t use, the “improve pve” types who are right back to mission running and anon farming a week after that “better” pve comes out lol).
This event proves my point. People can’t handle difficult pve. When ccp gives us a fun challenge with low rewards, its rejected in favor of “unfun” normal pve with better rewards.
It reminds me of the 1st incursion nerf. Ccp announced that incursions needed tweaking. The incursion runners ran to the forums en mass to protest that incursions were not about isk, they were about the community.
Ccp nerfed the rewards and most incursion communities collapswd overnight… So much for community lol.
The truth is that people want isk above all else. Those people should stop pretending otherwise
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Anyway, I see people sometimes not watching others, only saying me, me me. If everyone would have his wish fulfilled every time, we would live in a hell.
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I would modify this a bit.
“people who are not willing to think about the way to get better in pve sites are however spending time on the forum to complain about the pve sites”.
I agree this site is event is very good.
However I still have the items of the event with the sleeprs neuting, webbing you, can’t remember the name. This was a very good event too.
My guess is that people who complain here don’t want to spend 2h finding a fit that is fit to the event sites. I can understand that. If you just want to play one hour a day, maybe the event is too difficult.
I agree that this MAY be a problem.
I mean, maybe the beacon should not be uncatchable without correct fit.
Damn, is this for real? 300m/hr is “average”? I’ve been playing for years and consider anything over 100m/hr to be very good.
If we are cherry-picking, I can hack a relic can in Serpentis or Sansha space in 30 seconds and loot 50m. Viola, 6b isk/hr!
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between 200 and 300 is average . I just farmed 1:30, got 450M, it’s average.
good day people I know can make 500M/h. I’m not nearly as good as they are - And I don’t even try. Also PI can make more than that, considering you just need to set you extractors and fetch the P2 once a week
In your site, don’t forget to scan it and hack it first. Those ruins require a bit more than 30s to do them, including movement and target, but yeah 200M/h doing sites is good in scanning NS.
And then the fight started…
Hmmm, well, if you’re logging your isk/hr and hitting 300m, then more power to you.
In some cases it may be an issue of ‘people can’t handle difficult PVE’, and in some cases it may be an issue ‘people not willing to think about the way to get better’.
However, keep in mind that it is not an event where a ‘flexible’ approach is viable. I’ve done some looking, and ‘workable build’ after workable build involves ships that are Web-bonused (Vigilant, Ashimmu), faction web gear, or setups that combine high speed high application damage (Machariels, some Gilas, some with Geckos, etc.) Also some multiplayer or multibox approaches with some tackle and DPS working together.
The common element is a restricted number of viable ships, a restricted number of viable builds on those ships, and limited to generally more rare or expensive ships and gear support; also mostly T2 DPS builds.
In that case, I don’t think it is ‘greedy’ for players to expect more reward to correlate with the greater challenge. If you happen to already fly a Vigilant or Machariel, cool. If you normally fly something much more basic, and it’s going to cost you quite a few million ISK to fit out a ship for the event, then the level of reward offered becomes a significant factor.
Edit: Of course, it is an option to say “It’s not worth it to me, I’ll just sit this event out”. Which is perfectly valid. On the other hand, what is the point of designing and running an event, particularly a “Hey everyone we made 15 years!” event, where a large portion of the player base just decides to sit it out?
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What If I don’t care about making money? What if what I want are the skins? Not to make money, but just to collect them.
Honestly, if you’re just after the SKINs you’re better off running L4s and buying them on the market. The SKIN drop rate is pretty ‘abysmal’ (sorry, couldn’t resist).
With respect to my comment about the “pathetic” loot drops that seems to have triggered the departure to ISK/hour, at least with the last event (The Hunt) you were guaranteed one of the new ballistc modules and a good chance of an accelerator.
The boss didn’t spawn right away, you could lock wrecks a lot faster and there was more theft and interaction ocurring. The loot drops were the icing on the cake.