Partly agree, messing around with fits, optimize completion times, doing something others fail, PvP, is fun. But the ISK and reward aspect is important too. Events so far provided an exceptional ISK/h than other activities, without being an ISK fountain. Tuning this down significantly, is not the right way IMO to keep all player groups motivated.
It seems we don’t have the same definition of what is “exceptional isk/h”
Well, for the egg hunt event, on the low end the attribute boosters were something like 5 million ISK (perhaps even lower as their use by date drew closer), and variably usually 20, 50, 75 million ISK roughly put. SKINs similarly were usually between 5-10 million, sometimes more, sometimes less. Agency boosters, if you got the better ones, still several million.
So from one site you could usually do in 5-10 minutes tops, you could get anything from between 5-10 million ISK or considerably more if you got some lucky drops. That is comparable and even exceeding what you could normally get from level 4 missions for the same time spent. Of course the problem with the sites are that they are highly competed for, so you could also spend 10-15 minutes if you were unlucky, to just find one. But in highsec, the event sites are fairly lucrative source of income, easily comparable to level 4 missions.
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I wonder what missions you do in HS that only net you 60M/h.
60M/h is what you get from mining missions L4.
L3 minings are worth 10-15M/h
Just an advice : if you want to improve, you should accept that whatever you do, you do it wrong. And ask yourself, how to do it right. getting only 60M/h in L4 HS is wrong.
My guess is, you are salvaging/looting.
Well, I will give you that this event has been different. The goal rewards were better (although the booster reward was kind of a joke considering you could get that 50x over farming drones) - and at least you didn’t have to mine this time.
The Drfiter cruiser (etc.) was a challenge but I absolutely abhored the Sleeper spawns. Loot drops from the Drifters considering the increased difficulty were… pathetic.
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It seems you are still saying “pathetic” when you mean “not worth isk/h”
Again. The isk/h is bound to be low because it’s easily doable. The NATURE of the event is bound to make interesting, but not isk worth interactions.
If you judge a painting to the money it makes you, you sure are entitled to do so but don’t call it pathetic when it’s beautiful. Just say “it’s not a good investment”
L4 Combat missions are worth about 5-7 million ISK in bare bounties and mission payouts, with highly tuned ships you can blaze a mission in ~10 mins including travel time. If you’re really lucky you can get more ISK/h. You can double the ISK with looting and salvage, but that requires an alt to be efficientish, which I don’t use. I also CBA to count what LP is worth, but highsec LP is to my understanding relatively worthless, depending a bit on which faction you work for. I guess you could also chain missions in a good system, sure.
And I don’t know what you’re being snappy at me for. I’m not looking to minmax my income.
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scarlett is worth 10M bounty + 7M implant +4M reward+ 8k LP which is 33M at 1500 isk/lp, in 4min run+4min warp = 33*60/8 =240M/h.
(in reality the time required is less and a good farmer will have more than 1500 isk/LP)
edit : just did one 2j away, time between accept mission and complete mission is <6min. That means around 330M/h.
actually it’s 8M BO@Jita for implant and 3M rewards. So the numbers are the same.
Sure this is one of the best L4 missions, but that should give you an hint on what is good and what is not.
recon 1 is worth 1M5 + 3.9k LP = 7M4 in 3min, ie 240M/h
cargo delivery is worth 700k+2kLP which is 3M7 in 2min, ie 111M/h.
Even farming the elite drone AI can net more than 100M, including warping from station to another (dont bother killing anything beside elite BS though)
I’m being snappy because you say things are bad, when you actually just don’t know how to make them good. It’s just an advice though. Follow it or not. Just don’t say you are limited to 60M/h in L4s.
And I’m not even talking about burners here.
Tell me where I can chain Dread Pirate Scarlet after DPS after DPS for an hour and I’ll be there. Your calculation would make sense if missions weren’t given at random. Don’t tell someone they suck if they can’t reach some absurd theoretical scenario.
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I don’t say you suck, I say you are wrong.
What you do with your mouth is definitely up to you, I won’t judge your on that.
And sorry, I don’t like your tone. So you will have to make some effort to find out what you are looking for.
Everything above 100M/h in highsec I consider very good. This means, I spend 1h and earn 100M on a regular basis.
But to be fair with the Drifter BS sites this was the case (you can run ~10 per hour) … I’m probably biased due to the low perceived drop rates.
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Sounds like to me you’re just talking out of your arse pulling theoretical max ISK/h if stars align perfectly figures, then pretend that’s an average highsec income. But ok.
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well that is “regular”.
Extra ordinary to me means something you can’t do on a regular basis.
I personally consider (ISK wise) that below 200M/h it is bad, below 300M/h it is average, below 400M/h it is good, >500M/h it is extraordinary.
Of course this does not mean that playing Eve must net me those value, I separate farm activities and fun activities.
Sometimes I mix both, ie I do mining missions in a alt, I do the event and it’s fun, I do industry and lose money.
But when I need money to do something fun (and lose said money), I then evaluate the activity based on its active isk/h ratio.
I definitely am not considering maximum.
- max value for scarlet is in same system, it takes 3min to do it.
- 1500 isk/lp is bad, thukker is 2200 right now and feds are 2600
Numbers for those max values (in k isk): 8000*2.6+3000+8000+10000 = 41.8M, *60/3=>836M/h max for scarlet.
Of course I still take the values of LP in direct orders, if you consider LP store on long term it’s even better.
You are free to believe what I say makes no sense. It’s easier than to accept you are wrong when you say “missions are limited to 60M/h”
I gave you enough advices for the tone you have.
Except I didn’t say that anywhere. I’ve only argued that the average high-sec player does not net the figures you claim they do. I also said that I didn’t count LP in the income, or loot or salvage if you don’t have dedicated hoover alt behind you. Bare ISK from combat L4’s is probably around 60 million an hour, sometimes more or sometimes less, for the average player. If someone is playing with alts and a character streamlined for level 4’s and knows how to blitz every mission, then your figures start to sound feasible, but your average player does not play that way.
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But then an ISK per hour metric is pointless IMO. It implies average over many hours. If I can net 300M in 5min, but have to wait 3h to get my next 300M, it‘s still 100/h.
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yes you did :
both those quotes affirm you can only do 60M/h in L4s, unless “you are very lucky”.
I just told you, that this affirmation is false, giving you three examples of missions that net you more, way more, than what you affirm.
Nope, the numbers I gave you are the number of one character doing ONE mission. I say the numbers you give are wayyyyy too low, and that if that’s what you do (60M/h with one character), then you are doing it bad, isk-wise.
I don’t say you should do it otherwise, I say those number are a very bad comparison to real income in HS.
Yes and if you write all your farm incomes when you make farming sessions, you can have an average value of the time sunk and the isk you achieved.
Which is what I am talking about. When I need to farm, I take one hour to farm, and I write what I got during this one hour.
after ten sessions, I have an average isk/hour of my farming sessions.
eg doing havens in NS in a VNI can net you 80M/h. though this is mostly inactive farm.
…And your examples included variables (loot, salvage and LP calculated as ISK) those quotes did not. Are you being intentionally obtuse or something? Whatever then, you win.
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no, they don’t.
We are talking about the loot of the event sites. Of course if you compare to L4 worth you include loot, because we are talking about “worth”, not “isk bounties” which those events don’t have.
This is not hidden variable, this is low value of what you can actually find.
PLUS, your quote consider the loot in the “very lucky” part. The loot of scarlet is 100%, why would I consider it other wise ?
You AFFIRMED 60M/h worth of the sites is comparable to what you can do in HS L4s, I tell you this is only the case if you don’t try to have correct isk/h , and thus you can’t compare the worth value of the event and of the L4s.
I already said you won the argument.