Consentual PvP as it should be in a free world

Because it IS stupid to have a system in which anyone can just press a button and make themselves immune to PvP. People would be abusing it all the time. Why bother with Assault Damage Control when I can just toggle my immunity to PvP button and then untoggle it when shield is repaired ?? People who want these silly changes have…as is always the case…not really thought about the consequences.

These sort of silly changes are invariably asked for by people who have seldom actually undocked or played the game in any capacity.

now that is an actual reply. thank you very much

Well it’s true. If such a PvP toggle was available, here is what I ( and many others ) would do…

Next time there’s a big fleet battle, the minute my shields went below 75% I’d immediately switch on the ‘No PvP’ toggle and wait to repair. Assault Damage Control would be pointless. Enemies would not be able to shoot me. As soon as I’d repaired I’d join in targeting the enemy again. Trouble is…they’d be doing the same thing. Battles would then last 27 years…as people hope for the off chance that someone in fleet is not ’ No PvP’ toggled.

And that is why a ‘No PvP’ toggle is the silliest idea anyone ever thought of in Eve.

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accepting the game’s rules has nothing to do with being “hard” (sic) or tough.
If you would like the game to be different, go play another game. There’s nothing for you here if you don’t like the danger, unless you never undock from a market hub and have max trading skills. And I say that in a nice way.

I unironically think that a “solo self-found” mode could probably work for EVE. Basically players could opt to create characters that can’t interact with other players in any way, with anything they find or produce becoming soul-bound.

This isn’t how PvP toggles work in games that have them. There are cooldown periods and other mechanics that prevent abuse.

I don’t care about the constant irrelevant diversionary reference to ‘other games’. That’s not what is being asked for here, which is basically an instantaneous ‘pop up’ toggle when being attacked. Unlike you I am responding to what is actually being asked for rather than straw manning with ‘other games’.

Well, the OP is asking for a consent form/prompt. That’s different from a “toggle.” For example, a toggle flags you to everyone, while a consent form/prompt flags you to a single player. Additionally, the OP didn’t say anything about being able to “toggle off” at will.

To be fair the request is kind of pointless since the dueling feature already exists, so really all that the request practically amounts to is turning off all types of PvP except for the duel invite.

yeah i would rather think of it as something that can be used once for a set period of time.

for real → i could also see exactly this as a “single player mode”

BUT :
if you implement this “single player mode” then how many player would just “leave” the multiplayer part ? this would maybe kill the multiplayer because many miners could play for their own and the market would collapse…

on the other hand could this feature bring a big push to the playerbase if someone try to start with the singleplayer part without any interaction of other players and then decide its boring and now he´s “opt in”

Which is irrelevant as you only actually need the function when you are actually being attacked.

Anyway, if they ever ‘turn off PvP’ anywhere in Eve I will turn off my subscription. I would simply not want to play in such a ridiculous universe.

BUT what if the single player mode would mean, that you have to create everything yourself?

All ships must be built by you etc.

That really might be something to lure new players in. and once they decide they like it and would see more content, they can switch to the Multiplayer-mode

maybe at this point there are NPC trader in every HS / LS region and only available for the singleplayer ! they can sell you minerals if you want but only for T1 productions ! so you can produce everything in T1 you want but if you need the T2 version then you do your own work ! and as your alone its not hard to collect T2 materials

and i think, after a while, those players would see, how boring and lonely the game is without PvP. if everything is always there for you, it has no value

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Never mind the multiplayer part…a lot of players would just leave, period. Eve would have become something so ridiculous compared to what it has been that it would simply not be worth playing. I mean who on earth wants to log into a multiplayer game and find 90% of the people in single player mode ? A complete joke that I would not be prepared to pay a subscription for.

i really do not think, that 90% would go solo-mode. it would just be plain boring

I think very few would leave.

One of the biggest draws this game has for the vast majority of players who are PvE/industrial in nature (that in itself being the majority of all players) is that their “work” gets validated by others. Other players buying your products and increasing your relative wealth is a big component of attachment to an open-world game like EVE.

I think the more likely scenario is that some players would leave the normal mode, and then leave the solo self-found mode as well, but those would be the players who would’ve left the game regardless.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean here.

To be honest…even if it was 0.01% I’d cancel my subscription. No way am I logging in to a universe with ‘single player mode’ available for anyone.

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because of this i think it doesnt work ! but the “hope” would be that they see its not worth to play eve in singleplayer mode !

but still a lot of ppl would do ! and they would like to do still if they didnt get a reward …

i´m sure it depends on the regions … maybe a lot of HS player would play as single player and the other regions would only lose a few ppl to it

Noo…I’m not going to base my future in Eve on ‘hope’. I’ll be off the minute there is even the tiniest hint of even the tiniest amount of ‘single player mode’ being introduced…no matter how it is done. I’d have better things to spend my money on.

Either Eve is ‘don’t undock what you cannot afford to lose’…and everyone is susceptable to PvP anywhere…or I’m off.

but those HS-Players would not have other people to share anything with. nobody would use their structures nobody uses orca-boost, nothing.

also no chatrooms or anything. it would be super boring. only good for newbros to learn the game a bit