Well I have been out for 2+ years. My last experience with goons and wormholes, aside from using them to teleport across the galaxy, was watching Hole Squad from afar.
So what bothers you with seting up stonger represantative election system instead of %70 percent null sec aliances repesent the Whole eve online players???
Election sytem is BROKEN. Most people doesnt even trust to CSM⌠CSM only stands ther with block votes of their own null aliances ! everybody knows that⌠Are you trying to trick kidos ??? for a vein ??
you talking and you are believing what are you saying ! and your clap clap friends
Brisc rubal claimed he knows high sec here in these forums once upn a time⌠In turn he prooved he had no idea with things he said totall cluelessâŚ
Why are you advocating here?? constantly supressing peoples opinons with nonsense constantly ??
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thanks for inputs @Arrendis also you have yourself approved that⌠not only election system broken but Also WHOLE CSM idea is BROKEN !
awsome \o/
First, thereâs the simple unfeasibility of it all. How can you set aside seats for âhigh secâ candidates when you canât even reliably guarantee those candidates will be from highsec?
And letâs say you do get a dedicated HS guy who isnât Mike or Steve (I dunno if Steve will ever run again, but I who knows, he might be that kind of masochist). Two months into his term, friends of his whoâve started playing convince him to join them in Pandemic Horde. Or he gets bored, and goes into J-space. Or his corp goes to Lowsec for FW. How do you keep him in highsec?
Letâs say he stays in highsec, because heâs basically a Jita trader. Are you sure he knows a damned thing about HS exploration or mission-running? Does he even care? How do you know Gobbins hasnât hooked him up with just 1% of the TTT money to be a puppet on the CSM? This is, after all, EVE Online. Backstabs and shady dealing isnât just common, itâs literally one of the marketing strategies for the game.
Now, letâs say all of that could be worked around. Youâve got to be able to reliably verify that this guy is exclusively in HS (because letâs face it, even if heâs day-tripping into some other part of space, that means his gameplay isnât in HS), and isnât on the payroll of one of the null or j-space groupsâ HS arms (which we all have). Except⌠you donât⌠CCP does.
Whenâs the last time you saw CCP give themselves extra work for very little gain? You think itâs gonna happen this time?
Second, thereâs the effort and organization involved. Mike and Steve are well-known among the HS folks who pay attention to the CSM. Theyâve got name recognition. The only other HS folks whoâve had that kind of name recognition on their own merits have been Chribba and Gevlon, and of those, Chribba wouldnât suck for CSM, but I donât even know if he plays anymore. Gevlon⌠god, elect a guy who believes any social activity is a lie and everything in life comes down to âhow does this profit me in measurable, $$$-oriented ways?â Thereâs a great idea.
But thatâs the kind of jackasses HS would elect. You know why? Because thatâs the kind of self-serving jackass whoâd put in the work.
It takes a lot of work to get that kind of name recognition. It takes even more to maintain it for years and get political campaigns organizedâand thatâs what running for the CSM is, after all. Whoâs gonna do all that work? Someone who wants to be on the CSM, and the vast majority of people who want to be on the CSM shouldnât be allowed anywhere near it. People who want powerâeven completely illusory power that exists only in their delusion of what the position entailsâshould almost never be trusted with it.
So you need people you know that you can trust. When we put candidates from the Imperium on our slate, theyâve been vetted. We know them. We know they can be trusted on the CSM. Thatâs not âthey can be trusted to do things for usâ, either. Theyâre under NDA, we have literally no way to know what theyâre saying to CCP, and the whole damned game is interconnected. So we need to be able to trust our CSM reps to be trying to make sure the whole game is healthy. If HS is horribly neglected and broken, people donât stay long enough to get to null. If LS is completely screwed up, our shipping routes are screwed, availability of some resources is borked, faction module supply and hull supply goes southâŚ
Everythingâs connected, and often in a lot of ways that CCP doesnât understand. So you need people you can trust to do the right thing for the whole game. Because if theyâre not doing right by the whole game, theyâre not doing right by you, either.
Organized groups of people can vet candidates. Disorganized groups⌠canât. You just donât talk to one another enough, you donât have any paper trail, any history of dealing with candidates from HS, hell, you probably only know them because theyâre running for CSM. So youâre more prone to running candidates that have no business being in the mix in the first place.
Finally, organized groups can get out the vote. This is the big âwhy HS doesnât already have more representationâ. You guys donât vote. If you canât get off your asses to be involved in the process, why should you benefit from it?
Look, I get it. I get that you want dedicated HS representation, and I understand why you want it. I understand that you wanting it isnât an unreasonable thing, even. I want all my real-world financial worries to be taken care of, forever. That ainât gonna happen, neither.
Because the process is best served when people are clear-eyed and realistic about what the results can be, in the first place.
Except itâs not. The âwhole CSM ideaâ is a player-elected focus group. Thatâs not broken. You want more HS representation, start trying to get people in HS organized. Just donât be surprised when the a-social types who mostly play EVE as a single-player game⌠donât care, and donât help.
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Now that, Sir, is a WONDERFUL answer.
You have my vote.
(CAN I vote? I donât know. New dog here.)
when i last checked EvE Online was sandbox game ⌠And every sociopath, psychopath, narc, anti social⌠and what so ever you can classify has equal rights when i check last time âŚ
what you are telling here is ⌠Oh there is an election in the country⌠letâs remove everybody out of the table who cannot organize⌠Only people who is part of the cartels represent PlayersâŚ
People who doesnt organise ⌠doesnt deserve to be presented is that it???
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Why cant they organise?
They dont like organised â â â â they like improvising⌠and some fascist mindset believes that people who choose to not to organise doesnt deserved and have right to be presented âŚ
( i have been thinking its sandbox game means people choise their own paths )
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The CSM are worthless and only represent the big alliances. The CSM should be removed from EVE just like Rattati and his manifesto. Rattati and the CSM have drove away cash paying customers and forced them to unsub. How can Rattati lie and say he is trying to make EVE better when Rattati has told loyal cash paying customers that, if you donât like what he has done to EVE than quit! Rattati is disrespectful to those that were loyal to EVE for more than a decade. Rattati took away game play that had been part of EVE since day one. People spent money on game play and time on training skill to become a better player only to have Rattati change the fundamentals of game play so much that he has made years of cash paying customers skill training null and void. Rattati and the CSM are a rotten plague that must be removed from the game. I wont spend one cent of my hard earned cash on this pile of â â â â that Rattati and the CSM have created.
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Isnt that guy FPS game fan and developer ?? Fffs :))havent seen any project finished and successed in his hand ⌠if im wrong please enlightened :))) CSM is nothing else that null aliances hug to CCP everybody knows that ⌠wake up boys ⌠this game is not only about nullblocks
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Rattatiâs stated on OZâs youtube channel that everything he has worked on, failed. Why else would Pearl Abyss give him the job promotion? It was not for Rattatiâs track record so it has to be that Rattati was the only one who would be Pearl Abyssâs yes man and do the dirty work of converting EVE into a pay to win scam. The CSM are as worthless as Rattati.
Yup. Totally equal rights: youâve got the right to do whatever you can actually manage to do. So if you want more HS guys on the CSM, go get them elected. Donât go asking for special dispensation nobody else gets.
Tell you what: go announce your candidacy for national office in any country. Do absolutely no organizing. Donât try to get signatures to get your name on the ballot.
See how well that goes.
If a player doesnât even care enough about Eve to leave highsec and explore the other areas, why in the world would they care about who gets elected to the CSM?
Hahaha you make a system first only possible to elect for blessed ones ⌠then you say this lololol ⌠whatever you drink tell me i stay away
They did mat be and decide best is high sec
The only thing fun to do in highsec is suicide ganking. Everything else is horribly boring.
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Actually yes ⌠i know⌠that also what i have been thinking, i had been fun of mutual war concept for years, but in turn i have realised that RvB is nothing different than any other corps in eve online⌠all corrupted liars and thiefs, nothing different ⌠many ways suicide gankers are pretty straight forward, just not my play stle⌠but no need to ignore ⌠they have content rich enviroment in high sec 
why i go and roam solo in low sec to find one â â â â â â â fight⌠or stick or tama and amamake ⌠hot spots⌠rest is deadâŚ
There is great risk in suicide ganking and solid thrills ⌠its also kind of sad people doesnt understand this so far ⌠its whoole BS that they claim there is no risk its easy job blahh blahh its not
I think in eve we first need to learn to respect different play styles⌠esp if we dont know any â â â â about it âŚ
My favorite time in Eve was when I was in a group that tried to set up a POS in a wormhole. Of course, we got betrayed by a spy and the whole thing was destroyed. People need to give up this childish idea that Eve is about building things. Yeah, you can maybe build some stuff and sell it for a small profit, or you can enlist with the pharaohs of nullsec and build some stuff for them, as their slave. But to try to meet âfriendsâ and build something together with your small group? Eve is not that game. Eve is about pissing on other peopleâs sandcastle. I donât know why people keep building sandcastles.
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Its not facist to say that if you cant be bothered to work for something thats within reach, you probably dont deserve to be given it.
Who exactly should be made HS representatives if no one is standing in the first place?
Ralph Nader would be a good choice.