@Steve_Ronuken How much cash has been paid to you via Patreon over your 5yrs as CSM, for providing a 3rd party EVE/CCP external service? Or for securing your position by player interests?
And by whom?
Iām incredibly concerned myself.
(Iām getting about $40 a month from patreon. I have 2 servers, one which is costing about ā¬49 a month, and one costing about ā¬25 a month.)
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If youāre looking for a net figure, Iām several hundred quid (considering I only set up the patreon in the last year or two, itās probably 4 digits. But I havnāt been paying attention to that) in the red on this. The funds which come in do not cover all the server costs.
So you have received $2400 dollars via Patreon, in the 5 years you have been elected as CSM?
Is that accurate?
Nope.
Because my patreonās not been up for that long. And if youāre trying to make out Iām making a profit on this, youāre incredibly bad at math.
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I donāt think you get it yet. We are fishing for a tabloid style headline here Steve. Come on canāt you just say some buzz words we can quote for all eternity to discredit you these informative answers arenāt what we want
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So how much cash have you received via Patreon in the 5 yrs you have been CSM?
GOT IT BOIS. @Salvos_Rhoska here you go this is what you wanted right?
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oh ah forgot to /s
PS sorry steve 
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Once upon a time, absolutely. Those days were over several years ago already though. CSM nowadays is not hard to analyse for functionality and usage. It exists to serve CCP as a marketing + filter instrument. Nothing more, nothing less. That could still be useful, admittedly for low hanging fruit but still, unfortunately CCP also decided some years ago that CSM as a concept would be most beneficial to them as a special interests filter. They even got rid of a CCPian - who pointed out some issues with the mentality behind that decision - to push this through. Thereās a remarkable difference in matters like these between a filter and an interests filter. One is a potential advocate, the other is only an advocate where it is allowed room to wiggle after feeding from the hand.
Itās not rocket science. Itās business.
CSM is very useful. Just, for CCP. The crumbs are for the interest filter subset. So obviously people invest in organisation to make the most of it, cause the odd crumb is still amazing considering economies of scale and the costs of continuity.
Sure, thereās people who end up in the CSM because they want their thing, or their right thing, sometimes even the least worst thing for all. Most go quiet after a month or two. Of those that actually dare to go beyond a little turf 
It would make a lot more sense if people just stopped seeing CSM as something that belongs to them, or serves them. Once upon a time, that might have become the case. Another victim of the Summer of Rage.
That said, thereās an odd little thing with the idea of vote / no vote. It doesnāt matter. If EVE still had the amount of warm bodies of say, a decade ago, that would actually be a factor. It hasnāt been one for quite a while now. The demographics are simple. Itās just math.
There is no power. Except for CCP 
Not the product level however. Those days have been over for quite a while too. Which is why weāre nowadays seeing renewed tripping over avoidable change issues. EVEās real enough alright - even virtual history repeats itself
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Somehow, I suspect Iāll forgive you on this.
(Do you think I should mention that when Iām at the summits, Iām tending to spend around Ā£500 of my own money on food and drink? Icelandās an expensive country. CCP just cover the flights,hotel,breakfast, lunch and a dinner. and thatās if youāre not eating out at lunch, which we normally did.)
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No but I think evey time you go to fanfest and shout a beer you should declare this
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In case you havenāt figured it out by now, you are responding to one of the worst sh*t-stirrers on the forum. Ignore the troll.
The fuzzworks website is a great contribution to EVE. Thnx for that.
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@Salvos_Rhoska can you stop spamming
That makes the majority of your oh so important whatever amount of posts you have
Thatās why youāll never get respect, thatās why youāll only be know for being a spam bot
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So? Your choice.
It isnāt a sacrifice or something like that. Itās just that, a choice. You have expenses and costs anywhere. These give you stuff too. Experiences, adventure, friends, etc.
I donāt think this is a door that really should be opened, regardless of whether it is for pun or argument. It never ends well.
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Actually I think what you really need to declare is how many goon beers you have accepted. How many beers deep are you in goons pockets anyways Steve?
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How much cash have you received via your Patreon account in the 5 yrs you have been CSM?
Lmao, he trashes his spam, only to copy it in a new post
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Way to ingraciously ā ā ā ā on CCP for paying your flights, hotel stay, breakfast, lunch and dinner, in a very expensive country, with our sub money.