Delay Local

[Salvos_Rhoska]

The chat bug was broken, because it gave Local intel to some, but not others, on a arbitrary basis.

That would not be the case with properly implemented delayed Local.

[Alexi_Stokov]

For the record I didn’t say that. The quote box messed up and that was lifted from someone else.

[Dracvlad]

Thanks for spotting that and I apologise, I amended it, not sure how that happened. o7

[Alexi_Stokov]

I just fixed mine. The was a “K” at the start of what I was quoting which messed up the quote box format.

[Kobran_Ruthless_Vaidrich]

PVE needs to exist and players need to be able to PVE without losing ships to hunters.

Null sec doesn’t revolve around you killing miners and ratters (because you aren’t good enough to fight anything that can fight back). Null sec revolves around Sov warfare, big fleets and capitals.

Now if nobody can generate resources without getting blown up every 2 seconds by hunters, how is it possible to generate enough resources for capital ships and structures? I don’t want to spend 100’s of hours PVE’ing every time I lose a dreadnaught, and you have no right to tell me otherwise so lets get that straight.

Null sec isn’t the place for you. You clearly belong in wormholes so go there instead of wasting your entire life in this thread pushing a garbage agenda.

[Salvos_Rhoska]

@Kobran_Ruthless_Vaidrich

Null sec isn’t the place for you.

If you would be unable to run your PvE operations in Player NS without immediate Local intel as your primary crutch, I think Player NS isnt the place for you.

[Salvos_Rhoska]

Looks like I struck a nerve.

You cant argue against it, can you.

[Salvos_Rhoska]

The proposed 30s Delay on Local intel in Player NS is sustainable.

It just means everyone in Player NS has to more actively source their own intel, until the delay expires.

That is perfectly manageable.
PvE does not, and should not, depend on immediate Local intel.

[Teckos_Pech]

@Salvos_Rhoska

That is perfectly manageable.
PvE does not, and should not, depend on immediate Local intel.

Really? And you know this how? By being in NS? Playing with local closed and “actively sourcing your own intel”? Total Bravo Sierra.

[Mingja]

@Loki_Orkund

I’m happy for you to use your definition. It just isn’t reciprocated.

So I can’t define inherently safe for me, but you can? That’s just… well.

@Loki_Orkund

I never said that PvP has to always be non-consensual.

But you implied that running away all the time is making you invulnerable to non-consensual PvP. That is just wrong. Even if you run away, the act of running away from a hostile is already non-consensual PvP.

@Loki_Orkund

No, I just want to balance 0.0’s reward risk ratio.

Then why not do it? Camp their Systems, they earn nothing. Burn their structures, they earn nothing, claim their sov and they earn nothing.

We’ve already established that Nullsecs ISK per hour is perfectly fine by your definition if you use anything less than a super. You just denied this by claiming there is literally 0 risk in 0.0 so it’s literally saver than highsec. Which simply is an unfair statement.

@Loki_Orkund

I never stopped. I’m still hoping your apparent shift from that is temporary.

Sure, let’s disaccount for half of the equation and claim we are still making a honest case. If that’s what a honest discussion is about for you, then I don’t know what you would call a biased discussion.

[Dyver_Phycad]

It sounds more like null sec of low sec is not for you and you should move to W-space.

[Alexi_Stokov]

@Salvos_Rhoska

Looks like I struck a nerve.

You cant argue against it, can you.

I’m pretty sure people have been arguing against this for 1000+ posts.

[Alexi_Stokov]

@Salvos_Rhoska

The proposed 30s Delay on Local intel in Player NS is sustainable.

It just means everyone in Player NS has to more actively source their own intel, until the delay expires.

That is perfectly manageable.
PvE does not, and should not, depend on immediate Local intel.

So they actively source their Intel so they:

1: see you come through the gate = they bug out and you get no kills.

2: organize = you get dead.

3: risk / reward becomes much more risk = them leaving and you having no one to kill.

For this idea to advantage you, you must think there are a lot of PVErs that are the equivalent of 3x cargo expanded fitted freighter pilots slow boating to the .5 gate.

[Dracvlad]

@Alexi_Stokov

For this idea to advantage you, you must think there are a lot of PVErs that are the equivalent of 3x cargo expanded fitted freighter pilots slow boating to the .5 gate.

Holy shite what an excellent spot on comment, loved it!!!

[Dom_Arkaral]

411/1261
Gj @Salvos_Rhoska lul

You’re at 32.5% now
When can we expect you to get 50% of all comments in a thread?

@Alexi_Stokov

For this idea to advantage you, you must be a PVEr that is the equivalent of 3x cargo expanded fitted freighter pilots slow boating to the .5 gate.

Ftfy

No wait, I’m giving him too much credit, he doesn’t even undock

[Mingja]

@Dom_Arkaral

When can we expect you to get 50% of all comments in a thread?

I would give him 2 more rounds of asking the same questions / repeating the same comments before that happens.

Then, he can proclaim that himself and his 3 alts that made the 750 posts on the topic can be seen as “see, that’s how many people agree with me!!!”

[Loki_Orkund]

@Dracvlad

You don’t understand that the balance is already there, same for Salvos.

LMFAO. Nobody believes that. Not even the 0.0 carebears.

You are fogetting cyno’s and hot drops

That’s more like 40s warning on Local.

But I nerfed cynos in my remake.

[Loki_Orkund]

@Mingja

So I can’t define inherently safe for me, but you can? That’s just… well.

Again, where did I say your definition of safe wasn’t allowed?

But you implied that running away all the time is making you invulnerable to non-consensual PvP.

“implied” = I didn’t say it.

@Mingja

@Loki_Orkund

No, I just want to balance 0.0’s reward risk ratio.

Then why not do it? Camp their Systems, they earn nothing. Burn their structures, they earn nothing, claim their sov and they earn nothing.

Do we need to define what balance means?

We’ve already established that Nullsecs ISK per hour is perfectly fine by your definition if you use anything less than a super.

No we didn’t. You might want to read my reply.

[Dracvlad]

@Loki_Orkund

LMFAO. Nobody believes that. Not even the 0.0 carebears.

I repeat, the balance is there, that you do not understand the balance is your issue, I am however LMFAO at you, but you like so many do not understand the nullsec game which is a game of empires.

@Loki_Orkund

That’s more like 40s warning on Local.

But I nerfed cynos in my remake.

Lets just have cyno’s and hotdrops in WH space for a bit and then see what happens, will be funny as hell.

[Loki_Orkund]

@Dracvlad

Lets just have cyno’s and hotdrops in WH space for a bit and then see what happens, will be funny as hell.

I’ll swap it for no local in 0.0.

Deal?