Dev blog: New Alpha Training Option

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(Ima Wreckyou) #284
  • They sell 50k SP directly from the shop for 20 PLEX
  • Alphas can train up to Battleship and use t2 weapons up to medium.
  • Training will stop after 5mil ISK, after that they have to purchase SP

(Teckos Pech) #285

Only if they want too. So there is no taking. More like voluntary transactions.

Then don’t. And right now they are priced at around $9.99 for 11 of them.

Well…isn’t that the point here? One of these allows for one days worth of Omega training.


(Lady Ayeipsia) #286

You missed a blog:

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/clone-states-the-next-steps/

Both changes will occur during the same update. So Alphas will be able to train higher than a cruiser when alpha injectors become available.


(Nana Skalski) #287

CCP takes cash from them in effect.

CCP knows how people like SP and if they are permanent its a nice stuff to have. They know what they are doing. It is alluring stuff this permanent SP, to take in effect money from people. You dont have to use smooth words, nobody cares at this point. Its normalcy of our times. Game companies, and CCP is one, want your money.


(Ganellon Devians) #288

Nope, i didnt miss it and this is exactly what i meant!
Injectors will give also the option to train the non-free skills (like you say) :slight_smile:


(Cypherous) #289

it doesn’t give any access to omega skills, you might want to re-read it yourself before telling others they didn’t read it right :stuck_out_tongue:


(Cypherous) #290

In december the alpha skill pool is being increased to include up to battleships of all 4 races, they will have around 20mil of total SP available to them but can only train up to 5mil normally as an alpha, for the rest they need omega or injectors


(Ganellon Devians) #291

Are you her lawyer? :stuck_out_tongue:


(Teckos Pech) #292

No, they give CCP cash. When you go to the grocery store do they “take” your cash or do you give it to them. You give it to them.

Yes, a company selling a product wants money for it…this is true of your grocery store, the restaurant you like to go to, and the stores you buy your shoes at. And it is largely all voluntary. Don’t want it…don’t buy it, and nobody is taking your money except when you give it to them of your own volition.


(zluq zabaa) #293

Fair point, but with the daily limit per character to 50K SP, you’ll only get 1.5M SP a month for 600 PLEX (and possibly daily logins). Farming SP in Omega State costs only 500 PLEX and nets you something around 1.9M SP a month.

I mean how could it be any different? If they don’t take any money, they can’t pay staff or servers. It becomes an issue when they entice you to pay in order to get a massive advantage over other players. I don’t see where this is the case in EVE. Yeah sure, someone could spend $10K on the PLEX store to get something close to a Trillion ISK. But there are many guys who have far more than that and having lots of ISK doesn’t mean you’re gonna succeed at anything in the game. People will shoot your bling, scam you, play their games with you and never will CCP or anyone come lurking around the corner, congratulating you to win EVE for any archievements in game.

The new Injector will help getting Alphas quicker into activities without the need for them to subscribe just yet. Basically quicker way to find out if they like the game and not discourage them with unnecessary waiting time. Sure, CCP could also just give Alphas the entire Alpha Skill set for free to let them try it out, but this would produce an outcry amongst the Omega community (“blabla they got for free what I had to pay for blabla”) and it would give the false impression about Skill progression. The new Injectors do indeed tell the Alphas “if you pay (real money or ISK) you’ll train at a faster level”, which is the same like it is now, only that they offer smaller try-out payments. If that gets Alphas quicker into activities and helps them decide to join and stay in EVE, I think that is a very good move by CCP.

Some of CCPs decision regarding sales might have been of poor taste, but to call them pay2win is utterly unfair. If you want them to deliver you completely free game, you’ll need to give your work for free to other people as well. If everyone does it, everything will be free. Until then, having to pay for EVE is necessity, not greed of its developing company.


(Linus Gorp) #294

That one went down the toilet after they introduced SP injectors as reward for new players (recruit a friend reward for the new guy and the one the tutorial hands out).

Everyone that didn’t see this coming is totally delusional and it’s not going to get any better.


(Forseti Valkyrie) #295

Just mail us a CD every 30 days with 1,000 free hours and put pop-up ads in the corner with one that shows every 5 min about how we can avoid the annoying ads by paying $15/mo.


(Sabriz Adoudel) #296

In my mind they haven’t crossed the sanctioned paid cheating line yet. The skill injectors come close but aren’t over the line.

These changes do not change anything. Before this change, the main method of sanctioned paid cheating in EVE was selling PLEX for ISK. After this, it will be the same.


(Vortexo VonBrenner) #297

um…I mean…no worries, Malcanis’ law could never apply…


(Cypherous) #298

Nope but i don’t need to be, i read the blog and understood it :stuck_out_tongue:


(Ganellon Devians) #299

Exactly, alphas will need a 30-days sub at least to gain access to new skills.


(Cypherous) #300

Not quite, alphas can train up to 5mil SP from nay of the available alpha skills without needing to spend anything, in order to train above that 5mil they either need to pay for a subscription or to buy injectors, injectors will still only allow them to apply skillpoints to the skills they are allowed to access, if an alpha activates it they will only be able to apply it to their set of skills not omega ones, this means they can train for new skills without subscribing but it will still be limited to the standard alpha skills unless they buy omega


(Ganellon Devians) #301

ok, you could have been a good lawyer, you made everything a lot more complicated now, LOL! :slight_smile:
but i think we have to see what else will come/change 'til December, not even CCP knows how exactly everything will work.


(Teckos Pech) #302

Seems pretty simple to me.

As an Alpha you can:

  • Train the first 5 million SP at no out-of-pocket costs.
  • With the up-coming change to Alpha’s the set of skills still active in the Alpha state has been increased to 20 million.
  • To get the new skills the Alpha clone account must be Omega and trained, or an injector is used.
  • Even if you are Omega and train say, Cloaking, when you revert to Alpha you lose access to cloaking.

(Ganellon Devians) #303

I dont think you will loose it, this is what will change from December, the skills you have already trained ('til 20m SP) you will be able to use them even if you go back to Alpha-State.