But anyone can’t use the injectors.
You have to be an alpha.
Which means to use them you are sacrificing your daily SP, which can easily be more than 50k.
Like I said, you might want to go read what the blog says…
Scroll back to one of my previous posts, possibly the one you initially replied to, I actually inserted the part that says they can be used with Omega…
Actually I make it even easier for you;
Can I use skill points from an Alpha Injector on Omega skills?
Yes and no. Alpha Injectors add skills to your unallocated pool where they stay until they are spent. As an Alpha you cannot apply those points to Omega skills, but, if you become Omega at some point with unallocated points in your pool they can be spent on any skill. The CSM was trying to find a way to abuse this but so far has not succeeded, please let us know if you do
I don’t see anywhere it saying you need to be Alpha state to inject them, only that they can’t be applied to Omega skills without Omega state - No need to sacrifice anything - if the blog is accurate.
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It is right there in the blog:
“May only be used by characters in the Alpha Clone State”
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Your complaints have all come up in this thread already. There’s the misunderstandings about alpha/omega limitations. There’s people who somehow seem to believe omegas somehow “earn” their SP. There are the price point people. There are the economics people.
Price per SP is more expensive with the alpha injectors than extracted SP or Omega’d SP. SP seed rate is lower than that of omegas, and at a higher price per SP means this won’t have any more effect on the SP market than a full sub would.
TL;DR: This is simply a more expensive 1-day sub. It’s too simple to abuse, outside of legitimate bannable exploits. Out of nearly 200 posts in this thread every potential “abuse” is derived from reading comprehension fail.
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Where is my misunderstanding about Alpha vs Omega limitations?
If there is, how does that affect my post?
How do you know “price per SP” will cost more? CCP haven’t stated how much it will cost as yet…
Sorry but your TL;DR just doesn’t make sense - “It’s too simple to abuse” - Doesn’t fit with “outside of legitimate bannable exploits” - You’re saying it can be easily abused, then saying it is a bannable exploit.
Where is the exploit? Why would CCP release something that is a builtin exploit?
Or is your TL;DR a simple comprehension fail?
NB; I read most earlier posts, nowhere did i see anyone mention the point of sale cost of these injectors mentioned as a possible abuse of the system, hence my post.
Just for future info - Current skill injectors are made possible ONLY via SP that has been paid for by a player - CCP turned that SP into a possible source of income for those players who wished to part with some or all of the SP they had trained up while paying a subscription over a number of years - CCP is now attempting to change this and introduce SP they themselves created out of thin air as a microtransaction…
If CCP set the price of this made up SP too low it will have an affect on current skill trading. As we don’t yet know how much CCP plans to sell their SP for (and probably won’t until the day it becomes available) we can only hope they keep their current paying customers (already loyal paying players) in mind when setting the price…
Personally I would rather see CCP deliver these new injectors in the same way as they do now - Rather than creating SP out of nowhere and selling it directly they should release Alpha Extractors and Injectors - Extractor is purchased by person with SP they wish to sell, they extract skills and sell on the market.
Seriously, read the blog again. Your misunderstanding is that you keep insisting Omega’s can use these injectors, they can’t.
And that CCP have not set a cost.
It’s all sitting right there in the blog.
And no, these Injectors do not create SP out of thin air any more than a subscription that creates training queue SP does because of their limits.
You don’t get it… the point is that nobody has proposed a way these CAN be abused. It’s too simple to be abused. That’s the point. If there’s a legitimate exploit (i.e. someone figures out a way to bypass the time restrictions or something) then it’s an exploit. Bannable. But the intended use is that you inject a day’s worth of SP at a maximum of 1 injection per day. Just like how a subscription gets you 1 month worth of SP in 1 month. It’s really not complicated.
I know where existing skill injectors come from. This isn’t one of those. Likewise, you could say a subscription itself is a form of skill injection. This is no different from a 1 day sub.
Cost has been discussed heavily in this thread. I think it’s around 20% more than just a sub costs. Which means you’re paying 20% more per SP than you’d be paying if you just subbed. If you want to run 30 of these in a row (over the course of 30 days, since that’s how it’s restricted), by all means, go ahead. If you want to pay more for less, that’s your life choice.
The system isn’t cheatable. It won’t affect the SP market. It might have a slight affect on the plex market, though I doubt this will drive demand enough to matter. It’s not unfair to omegas (though might be a little unfair to alphas who use it, but there’s full disclosure.)
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No, this is not true. This is simply a seriously expensive 50k SP skill injector from the shop. You don’t go omega for a day, you still have all the restrictions you have on the alpha state.
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How is the math faulty?
What are they paying to do that?
Lets see Carrier ratting for 30 days, buy 2-3 months of plex off the market with ISK not RL cash.
Go alpha, use 1000 plex for these skill injectors, can still do alpha things with the new changes coming…
Use final 500 plex to return to omega, use up the stored SP, rinse and repeat…
Where is the hard number on diminishing returns stocking SP while Alpha?
Again, what RL cash is being given to CCP by such a player? and once 1 person starts doing it successfully others will follow.
Wait for 50 days to get your injecting done, which nets you 2.5 million SP…
OR
Stay Omega and train for 50 days which can get you in the region of 2.9 Million SP.
See why the equation isn’t abusable.
Before you start to point out the errors or misunderstandings of others you might want to check and verify what you are posting - Aside from your first line being grossly untrue, everything else you posted is just copying what i posted; No CCP have not set a price and yes IT IS ALL IN THE BLOG - Go read the fukin thing and stop being an ill-informed nitwit.
> Can I use skill points from an Alpha Injector on Omega skills?
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> Yes and no. Alpha Injectors add skills to your unallocated pool where they stay until they are spent. As an Alpha you cannot apply those points to Omega skills, but, if you become Omega at some point with unallocated points in your pool they can be spent on any skill. The CSM was trying to find a way to abuse this but so far has not succeeded, please let us know if you do
I guess that part being in the blog is just for fun then, it isn’t true? Or are you saying I made it up and it isn’t really in the blog at all?
The blog CLEARLY states that the SP from Alpha injectors CAN be used to train Omega skills with Omega status.
And of course these injectors are creating SP out of thin air - Where else is it coming from, you really do make yourself look foolish. Currently all injectors are created out of existing SP which has been trained in the traditional way (having Omega status and injecting skills which are extracted at a later date and turned into an injector) - CCP is not using existing SP to create these new injectors - They are simply making SP (out of thin air) and selling it.
As for it being the same as SP trained daily via a subscription because of training limits, you really are reaching into the far beyond here. Injectors are only related to daily training as far as filling injectors goes, it has nothing to do with what SP the person using the injector trains otherwise.
We are planning to sell Daily Alpha Injectors for 20 PLEX each
As for the SP from thin air: All sp comes from thin air. The only difference is that you get a lump sum per day, rather than it trickling in over the course of the day.
Ofc they comes from thin air, but explain to me why CCP was so specific about it 2 years ago when they introducing SP trading. It was looking bad then but looks good now? lump sum per day per lump sum of RL money?
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It is the number of skill points you get from 1 day of training.
1 alpha skill injector creates SP out of air.
1 day of omega training creates the same number of SP out of air.
What’s the difference? You can only inject one alpha injector per day. Either through training in omega or injecting alpha skill points… you get the same number of skill points created. It is mathematically exactly the same as granting omega skill training for one day… except you cannot spend those on omega skills unless you “bank” them and go omega… in which case you spent more acquiring those skills than you would have if you had just been omega the whole time.
This isn’t rocket science. It’s basic math.
30 days of omega = 500 plex
30 days of alpha skill injectors = 600 plex
Both create “30 days of skill points” out of thin air… and both take 30 days to apply those skill points.
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yeah but they make more money off people buying plex to sub their account, because the whales buying the plex will buy more since they can easily sell, but if plex drop in sales ccp actually loses the extra $5
Quite frankly this is a terrible idea. Being able to flat-out buy SP off the NES/NEX is ridiculous and can’t happen. You are adding SP into the ecosystem by doing this and as the thread has said, is massively suspect and has entered P2W territory. For the love of all that is good make normal injectors be able to be broken down into daily injectors or something similar, but don’t have these things available for real cash or PLEX directly filled with SP. It’s a dark road to go down.
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my point is not about being abusable…
my point is the fact of less subscription money for CCP and eventually the plex market becoming unsustainable and/or super pricey by such tactics.
such tactics would eventually lead into a downward spiral of CCP’s income as i really do not believe we have enough whales in the playerbase to buy plex and put it on the market for ISK with such tactics.
Not too mention the eventual exponential increase of PLEX from such tactics that would eventually lock out a large portion of the player base from ever buying it with ISK
the only abusable part of the whole thing to entice anybody to use such a tactic if as implied earlier by Steve it will be quite possible to simply go alpha inject the full 50k sp no matter how many SP you already have, then when you go back omega the total accumulated can be placed towards your omega skills. There has to be a cap out, or after you have 20 million alpha cap you get like only 5k sp out of the 50 put into your unallocated pool.
Added comment: Im a highseccr, and if i really push my self i can earn between 1-5 Billion ISK liqud per day, compare to what a nullseccr would earn… my ability if i so choose = 312.5 to 1,562.5 plex daily(current avg price)…multiply that by 20-30 days, then i could let all my accounts lapse into alpha with the coming changes and still be able to earn ISK and PLEX while popping injectors…all i would need is 2 account to go omega to rinse and repeat and CCP could kiss my effective 180-200 $ monthly bye bye because i then could truly play for free till the servers died.
Except plex put more money into ccp pockets than subscriptions do. And you spend more plex to inject for a month than you do to subscribe for a month. While getting less reward.
Literally these injectors are your daily so from omega. Except you don’t get as much so as you do if you have an optimised training plan.
Tldr. Your idea costs more and gives you less. It’s silly to do.
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From what stand point?
See my maths above. It costs less and gives more sp as well as all the other benefits to subscribe for a month via plex than it does for a month of alpha injectors.
Sure you might not pay for them but someone did.