Here’s an idea… snickers. Restrict ECM to Caldari, Amarr to Cap drains, Gallentee to warp Target dampeners etc… after all you know what your up against instead of every ship at anytime using all the electronic warfare items on multiple ships. You already did the role of ships, and that should be part of the role of a ship of a race.
I didn’t say it was a good idea, just said it was an idea.
but but but, then brisc’s machariel couldn’t fit damps and complain about how ineffective they are vs rooks??!? whaaaaaaaa
*snickers
sarcasm aside, I wouldn’t put it past em
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I want to say “yes” but I don’t know the answer, honestly.
I expect they will evaluate the change and determine the impact and then go from there. How long that takes is anybody’s guess.
I will say that I want the solo guys to tell me what happens and their experience so I can pass that up the chain to them.
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I’ve been mostly in high sec since the war ended.
What do you mean?
There is no ECM in solo once these changes go live.
A jam is a waste of a module, as it will do literally nothing in a 1v1 situation, no matter if it is on a frigate with a free slot or a Griffin Navy Issue.
All the skill points invested in making ECM stronger, increasing it’s optimal and falloff, amount to zero when all the module does is allow your target to lock you. Does CCP really expect solo players to test ECM knowing this?
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mayb. mayb not. but you have a csm telling you to test it out and let em kno! lol such a troll
How does this post get flagged and hidden… ccp wtf have your forums turned into
When i saw it i laughed abit. Must of hit a nerve of a few people who wish to surpress the greatness of the Caldari State.
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Have to love automated censorship I the modern age
R.I.P solo ecm…? why? if they can lock your ship when your jamming them there is no solo ecm jams…
edit.
please at least give them fighting bonuses so they can be used for learning solo period…
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Ecm + kiting with drones. They now can’t lock your drones.
Ecm drones still work.
I agree solo ecm use got nerfed but it’s not entirely useless. If these prove effective or not is another question.
And I agree. the solo nerf should have come with a buff… Like removal of racials and multi being script able. So you dont need to fit a rainbow when roaming and can fit some real tank. And other such changes.
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Yeah let’s both nerf ecm to near uselessness then remove the flavor. It won’t help at all but this way we can also pretend we want to help the ecm pilots as well. Sure best case it would only result in yet another nerf to ecm but is that really so bad
“You will able to target any ship that is currently jamming you.” and this applies to drones, meaning your better off using a ship with combat bonuses using ecm drones right? also, wasn’t that what auto-targeting missiles were for? as a counter to ecm? shoulda just a gave every weapon type its own anti ecm firing option.
apologies but i just spent alota time getting ready to pvp in ecm ships…
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Having to fit racial isnt flavour. Nor would that flavour need removing with scripts if you gave them a long load & unload time. You still could get caught with the wrong scripts but you no longer would need at least 4 mid slots on a shield tank ship simply to have 1 of each.
Racial splits are not the reason four mids are needed. Even if you know exactly what you are up against you still take as many jams as you can.
This change however would see ppl still carrying just as many jams but now they are able to swap much easier. If you left their jam even close to three same level even with this upcoming change they would become broken.
Ultimately this would result in the power of race specific jams to be nerfed
Except its coupled with this nerf where they have to worry about tank also. So I dont see it becoming broken. They are even talking about possibly making ecm strengths higher than current.
I mean sure it ‘could’. But power wise ecm isnt actually that bad. So it getting a little stronger wouldn’t be too bad even if it did. It’s just a really poor experience for most people at the moment.
They cant go making the tank of the ecm ships too amazing after all. You might see a 10 to 20% shift in base ehp. But if they move it too far then suddenly they step on other ships ties and you will see rook doctrines with no ecm because of epic tank. So there has to be some give back on ecm itself somewhere.
Yes i pointed out it would still be broken with this change and if we want any chance of seeing the base power raised this can’t be done.
While I’m not a fan of this change and have also made several hyperbolic posts in this very thread many places ecm will be mostly unaffected or only require small modification to fits and/or fleet comps.
The biggest problem with this change is how the places that are heavily effected are the areas where ecm is not much of an issue. And in these areas i would be fine with the change you suggest. Unfortunately such a change would not be isolated to those areas and would simply make many of the current problematic areas even more so
So essentially you argue nobody cares about ceptor nullification in nullsec, but you want it nerfed anyway because other people have fun flying ceptors and can pull off things not possible without but this must not be, and this niche play style has to die.
You are either driven by the nullsec agenda or envy.
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This is a common mentality found in eve players.
The idea that risk is an important balance point it’s not just what makes for in the moment fun.
I mean look aty adding arenas most ppl agree that they would be fun but the overall structure doesn’t fit eve. Pvp with little to no risk of the tide suddenly flipping against you. Everything should be counterable in a meaningful way
… and yet you simply can’t perfectly balance measure and counter-measure. If you try, you have to remove both, hence reducing options. With the ceptors people seem to forget, that nullification was a counter to bubbles and camps. So we are “just” going back to the old imbalance of 2013. And this imbalance was and is in favor of safe ratting space. So what’s the new counter to this then?