heard the new hic changes are great. Lol
I think it would be best that CCP implement some sort of effect which will be that whenever someone stumble on the player from Null, his ship automatically explode and his pod commits suicide âŚ
In that way people from Null will avoid the situation where their feelings are hurt⌠so they can continue to gather ISK and play with themselves in their small sanbox, rating afk with they cheap VNI (that is something what CCP do not have time to change or make rats stronger)âŚ
Links, SB, now ECM etc. ⌠all of this is slowly killing the game exp. for solo or small gang players⌠ok, np., enough games on the market today, I will choose another oneâŚ
soon Eve will become like any other game and there will be no reason to play it anymore⌠all of this is a result of bad CSM selection, that is first thing needed to be changedâŚ
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Yet another patch to help Player NS keep their super (pun intended) safe space, even safer.
Interceptors nerfed as nullified.
Also, âyou jammed me but I can still lock and shoot you lololololâ.
Does that apply to NPC ECM too?
Can someone explain the use of the Zero-Point Mass Entangler module to me?
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if ECM canât mitigate incoming damage, then itâs effectively an offense-only module. Please thus move it to high slots (as with neuts, for example), so that ECM ships donât all have to armor-tank themselves if they want to be anything but paper-thin.
This really should have been better thought-out
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Itâs sad to see ecmâs viability destroyed in solo/small gang pvp. I relied on ecm to get me out of ganks.
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Can you please explain how you intend to keep the widow as a viable black ops ship now that it canât actually do the one thing itâs intended for, and thatâs to jam the target?
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I think that the person getting jammed should lose targeting on everything but be able to re-target the jammier right away instead of maintaining a lock. so those who has a jammier on their ship not being ec drones have a small chance to escape if need be.
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They canât
The only thing they will be able to do is revert this rather gamedestroying change, since they wonât be able to balance ECM ships with this change.
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RIP ECM I now fit my navy griffins without Jams as there is really no use for them, I have a stack of 30 of them, what a waste of LP, guess I should have sold them when they were worth something. Right now I wouldnât pay more than 5 mil for one. Can I trade them in for Hookbills now that they are a redundant ship ?
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Really ?
Because I heard mostly about suicide ganking in HS or cloacky campers ambushing ships in sites which makes people ragequit.
Never heard about ECM.
But still you havenât tell me how is it measured⌠so please âŚ
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All academic at this point.
You claimed that changes will be monitored and appropriate changes will take place after new situation is analyzed.
I merely ask how the impact of the changes is evaluatedâŚ
Not even about the sebo. Weâve had a multitude of stealth nerfs to ecm, rebalancing ships and increasing sensor strengths, adding in the FW implant sets (i always used a spur in black rise FW), the sebo changes, the re-sebos. Then the ecm changes on top, ship bonuses, modules not stacking, the chance based, the optimal/falloff.
Theres been such a continual stealth nerf against ECM that I am surprised its still in use at all when almost always the user would be better off in any other ship in any size of fight, and then there is the growing number of ways to counter it so easily all without really sacrificing much for your own ship.
I could only think when i heard of coming ECM changes that there must finally be a boost to it in some major way to make it a useful specific train to be more viable than any other ship.
Itâs not academic.
You yourself said that weâll have to see how the change to ECM will work out and that then CCP will have to act accordingly.
And CCP will see that the only choice they will have if they donât want to end in a multi-year long buffing/nerfing cycle for ECM ship, will be to revert the change.
Nothing else will work.
@Brisc_Rubal I have to agree with @Sakura_Hoshizora here. The only way it could be academic is if thereâs no possibilty of this being rolled back. You specifically said it would be if it didnât work, which begs the question which is it?
How will the success or otherwise be measured? Is it considered a good change if null fleets still use ECM, but everyone else says âscrew that, Iâm using dampsâ?
Iâve said this already but apparently I have to say it again.
ECM is a mechanic used all over the world today by real, modern militaries and they donât even get Concorded (or start a war) for doing so. However future militaries will be clueless about ECM?
Itâs blatantly obvious CCP does not understand the very basic principal of Electronic Counter Measures. The very point IS to render useless a targetâs sensors. A successful target jam disqualifies the target from locking ANYTHING Period.
How difficult is that to understand? I guess this is where fantasy departs from common sense.
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Dunno if I can post whole support ticket in here, there no mention that I canât do that.
Sooo I did this support ticket thing, GM were very nice and understanding of situation ECM pilots are finding themselves in, but after some arguments back and forth , about how choices made by player are undone by CCP changes, and how extractors are actually forcing affected player to pay twice for what was paid for as gametime subscription. CCP retreated to EULA catch-all ESRB notice âgame experience might change during playâ. And most important I did get definitive answer , that explain utter silence from DEVS in this thread, âdecision not to reimburse comes from DEVS and there nothing GM can do about itâ, so we can stop bashing CSM for that, as ultimately all such decisions come from DEVS aka CCP. CSM can make whatever crazy âbalanceâ requests, its up to DEVS to filter out craziest ones.
With that said, I find this lack of any feedback or just simple acknowledgment of a problem with this change, simply appalling. I guess this is what happens when you cut community team to almost zero.
At first I was just angry with ECM change, now, I just sad, apparently CCP just donât give a **** about community anymore. Or they just make more money from bot subscriptions and extractors for those bots than from customers.
Probably if CCP get a hit financially then it may notice.
So Iâm canceling my subscription (no, you canât have my stuff, CCP may still come around with some sane solution) for a time being (still 213days left, oh well).
There no incentive to spend money on something that can be taken away in a whim, and just cover with âgame experience might change during playâ, what a joke.
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Hey, they just got bought out. They donât have worry about anything anymore.
Itâs btw nice that CCP doesnât write anything in this thread, again, like in the dev blog thread, after people start complaining about the ECM change, and only brisc is send forward to defend this ridiculous change.
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Parent may get notice if enough ppl write in feedback form reason for canceling subscription as âCCP dont give a **** about players and point to this threadâ
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