What I meant by “it’s academic” was that folks claiming nobody ever asked for these changes so why were they made are making an argument that has been made moot by the patch.
All the arguments about why are done.
Folks need to play the changes and provide feedback about what works and what doesn’t so Rise can get to work on balance changes.
The new ECM doesn’t work.
Point.
That’s what he can expect as feedback.
ecm is now dead plz give me all my skill point I used on my ecm ,or fix it becuz a ship that was made for jamming that cant jam to save its own butt its not worth skilling for ccp u need to hear the players out befor doing dumb ■■■■ like this I mean come on ecm is apart of this game now its not any jamming ship out there that looking to solo forget about it ccp doesn’t care about any of us or they wouldn’t have done this crap ccp u may as well hand over ur roles and quit
Screw that. My sub ends in Dec. I’m out.
No.
The feedback is done and has been done and playtested for years already. Its time for CCP to put up.
And we’re no longer interested in hearing more goon ■■■■ so you should GTFO and go crawl back into delve and stay there. Only want to hear from CCP. In fact, no longer even want to hear from them, just see their actions in the correct directions based on already years of gameplay and years of feedback.
From what I’ve seen and read this ECM change is a knee-jerk reaction, no thought or concept used.
If someone like me that hardly ever uses ECM, can come up with a better solution, you’d expect someone that has a better knowledge of how it work should have at least realized the changes were wrong and come up with at least a better idea.
Even a basic clone of how the nuets and necros work these days would have been better than what is currently in play, and it would have addressed the frigate vs battleship+ issue that some had disagreed with. Simple solution change the old ECM modules into small/medium/large/XL versions, with limited and reduced effectiveness on larger ships, just like the cap-warfare modules. A very simple, but effective solution, this would mean multiple frigates could still jam a battleship, but it would require a fleet to do so,cruisers would only require a few for a battleship, and the ECM ships would still have to sacrifice slots for the ECM modules to get the strength high enough to be effective.
One on one frigates would have not show,but against a similar sized ship it would able to solo it,the thing is it still would have to sacrifice slots to get an upper hand, and we all know if you fail against a better armed ship you’re dead.
So question is why wasn’t even the smallest amount of time and thought gone into this change?
Was this change forced through by certain people to give themselves an advantage, over effects it has on EVE game play and community?
Love to have an honest answer and not some hide it under the carpet response.
OK, so before these changes you repeatedly stated these changes were a ‘suck it and see’ deployment ( which I find unbelievably stupid). You also emphasized that it could be rolled back if it doesn’t work.
However, all the talk is about gathering feedback for balance of the now worthless hulls. What if all of the feedback from non-null fleet users is ‘Roll it back ffs!’? Because that seems to be what we’re seeing so far here.
This whole release has been shoddy, if I deployed releases this way, I wouldn’t be in contract the week after.
Can I have all your stuff?
I’m not a Goon, and I don’t live in Delve.
You don’t want to help provide feedback, that’s fine.
There’s more to feedback than simply complaining on the forums. I’ve already seen on reddit folks adapting to the new meta and explaining how to do it. There will also be the data on how many of these ships are being flown, how many are dying, etc.
If folks want to actually see this ships get buffed so they’re more useful, they can help by flying them and providing the data the Devs need to do that. That’s the best way to see that these ships get buffed.
What nobody needs to waste time doing is bitching at me or CCP. That’s not helpful and it’s not going to make a difference in getting ships buffed or this change rolled back.
simple, ecm ships did not have 100% chance of success, sacrificed slots to put ecm and lost tank, when the failed ecm you died.
counter ecm, fit eccm.
my feedback
Ecm does not work, you have not balanced ships, you have excluded ecm combat ships
Interestingly when someone does give feed back it’s bypassed and posts with negative feedback on ether side of it get a response.
So why say feedback is asked for, but ignore it?
@Brisc_Rubal what are you really looking for? Is it more focused on trolling than actual useful communication?
Maybe @CCP_Falcon, @CCP_Deadlift, @CCP_karkur, @CCP_Habakuk, @CCP_Fozzie, @CCP_Explorer and other CCP staff should get involved an respond to questions and suggestions put forward by it’s community instead of let’s CSM members make blanket statements that are make CCP look like idiots.
I am greatly concerned about what’s going on in the topic and others. Is it time to start posting to CCP’s new backer (Black Desert) to bring forward the issues that have been raised?
He is a politician through and through.
He only wants to read what fits his agenda (ECM has to go) and disregards any other opinion (ECM has to stay the old way, as most people seem to want)
@Brisc_Rubal
So you want feedback, I give you feedback:
ECM has to be reverted or you’ll land in a yearlong balancing hell while trying to buff the ECM ship to be solo/small gang usable while not being overpowered in a fleet and after one or two years CCP will just give up, because it will not be possible.
Just look at Zkill for the ECM ships since the patch.
The only kills where ECM ships are on the winning side are large fleets.
Solo/small gang only when the enemy either had no chance at all (frig vs cruisers) or when he didn’t have weapons fitted.
Everything else are losses.
Less than 24 hours of trial and error is enough for you to make balanced feedback?
Balance that has been begged for for years needs to be reverted because some guy named Sakura Hoshizora decides he has fair and balanced feedback…in less than 24 hours. All of my LOLLLLLLLLLLL
What happened to adapt?
When I see that much salt, I wonder about that too.
And Claws where just a pest. Especially since most of them didn´t fight. You bring a Clawfleet? They run away. Good. Have fun with the other counter to that broken thing and burn in smartbombs/BFGs. That wasn´t fun. Not at all.
As well as shooting helpless targets, because ECM. Some answer is on the move? And they are running.
Maybe now some people start to adapt and to skill other stuff than 1!!! EWAR and 3!!! subcaps.
Sorry. This post can contain sarcassm.
tldr: “I win”
cancer
couldnt agree more - ive cancelled my 4 account subs.
you dont represent me, and you dont represent many other pilots Brisc. You are a joke of a CSM.
another example of why you shouldnt be a CSM - you clearly couldnt care less if this change upsets people
Also seeing as being thoughltess morons is your thing -
LOL.