Maybe I’m a little slow but… The whole point of Electronic Counter Measures is to STOP someone from targeting. I’m sorry if people fill helpless but there are skills to train to reduce ECM effectiveness as well as modules. Think of it this way. Any first world military uses ECM precisely to to scramble another military’s sensors. And the military with the best tech (or in Eve) wins. Auto-Target-Back is completely the opposite of what is supposed to happen. If ECM is out of balance, tweak the ship’s sensor strength but not by much. An ECM specialized ship should have somewhat of an upper hand. Apply your tactical knowledge. And again, train the skills already available and fit your ship with the right modules.
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Changes to the stats are being considered 
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A mass reduction script for the Warp Disruption Field Generator to retain current mass reduction behaviour would solve the problem. No?
I feel that somebody is stealing the content from eve. And this somebody is CCP team.
Ceptor fleets were really fun content, after the patch this content will die. Bye bye fun, everybody should put the rorqua skills in the queue and vote for goons in CSM14 15 …, I hope evebody understand, who lobbied this patch.
I hear now that CCP whispers me: “prepare your shovel, time for mining is coming”
500MN higgs patch - why did you solve this small bug in so light manner? The best solution was to remove heavy dictors from the game 
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I hope not in your life time.
@CCP_Falcon please elaborate how the ECM change will affect fighter mechanics.
Will individual fighters be treated as ships and be able to shoot the ecm ship that is jamming them. If this is the case is essentially makes carrier fighters unjamable as it can easily kill the ship that is jamming or requires multiple falcons to jam a single ship. This makes ratting space for a certain entity considerably safer than it already is and needs to be.
Frankly as far as I’m concerned ECM was fine. This seems to be a change for the sake of change. Another change that harms anyone who still tries to fly around solo. Another change that seems to makes carebearing safer, as if fleets of 20 rorquals weren’t nearly invulnerable as is, but sure let them now shoot things that are jamming them cause why not.
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Please don’t screw over Wormhole rolling. 500mn HICs need to go but throw us an option first.
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They should actually INCREASE the strength because the ECM ship is doing what it is intended to do. EWAR ships should have an adjustment (penalty) to Tanking modules.
But I agree with you, and you are not slow in this case
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We in the WH will finde a way to Close the WH save
Cloasing Stabber will do the Job… for the frist time.
With the removal of the Mass reduction at the Bubble Generator, HIC also cant pass Frig WH any more … Thats hurt me more the the fact i cant use 100mn AB Onyxs for Cloasing the WH …
Many interesting points raised here about the changes (even ignoring the more hostile and hyperbolic ones).
I get that the 8k, frigate agility HIC is a bizarre expression of game mechanics, but in the interest of content generation you should not be making it harder for WHers to roll holes. Things need to go boom, EVE needs to happen. You should be encouraging such things one would think.
I also feel compelled to comment about the Damavik. I’ve built and flow one of these and it’s actually a neat little ship, and while sure it could use another mid slot, this isn’t why it’s not being used IMO. It’s the cost. The hull runs around 100M, the gun is expensive, and it’s so tight for fitting that to actually use your utility highs you end up giving up a rig slot for PWG, and any tank of significance requires A-Type nano platings and the like. This frigate is not worth the 200-400m you can easily pay to field one.
Increasing materials drops “slightly” may help, but really the cost of that ship/fit needs to drop significantly to make it reasonable to use, or it needs to be made much more effective to justify the high cost of what is otherwise a T1 frigate hull. Could leave it in a strange state if it cost 25M to fully fit one I guess, but if it’s going to be 100M+ with fittings, it will continue to see little use as I could be in a very effective Daredevil or similar for a comparable price.
Someone needs to properly evaluate the requirements for this particular ship and design accordingly. Is it supposed to be cheap? Then reduce the materials required to make it (which wouldn’t directly effect the cost of the Vedmak/Leshak otherwise if you’re happy with them). If it’s intended to be expensive then it should be a better ship.
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I’ve been living in Wormhole space for more than four years. Starting in the era of POS - where we literally would live and log in with our ships into space, with no comfy station or citadel to surround you in its warm embrace. Only a POS Shield surrounded you, you had to entrust your ships to the XL SMA, trusting your corpmates not to screw you. We would roll the static wormhole if no content was found. If there was no PVE or PVP for 2 rolls, then we would form up Rage Rolling. For those who logged on in low population TZ, they could still solo roll. Now - without the 100MN AB Rolling fit Heavy Interdictor Cruiser - they run a much higher risk of getting rolled out, since they’re now forced to use the 100MN AB Stabber for example on a crit hole.
I don’t mind that at all. Risk/Reward is what this game is about. Now rolling is more risky. What I do mind is this…
Unfortunately, wormholers will be unwilling collateral damage, as they often are, due to the incredible usefulness of HICs for rolling holes. We may address this with a specific mass manipulation module at some point in the future but want to move forward on fixing this broken behavior as fast as possible.
This attitude coupled with what we know are CCP’s definition of ‘in the future’ - will mean, we’ll be lucky to see the mass shift module within a year or more. CCP blatantly told us in a earlier dev post that they wouldn’t ship the 500MN HIC change until the mass shift module was ready. Well, CCP, you are contradicting yourself.
This problem someone on Reddit solved within hours - add a fitting penalty to the HIC that disallows the use of the 500MN MWD, but allows the 100MN AB. There, done. In the meantime you work on the Mass Shift Module and release when ready.
That the entire CSM and CCP putting their heads together could not have come up with this easier smoother change process that didn’t upset an entire section of the playerbase…
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Fun times we are going to miss the old 500mm Brodsword. 
We got caught every now and the and we had fun together. 
Removing mass from HICs thats just bad for everyone affected by a wormhole.
Im more surprised all interceptors don’t get their damage reduced by 2/3 or replace 50% of their DPS bonuses.
to keep their interdiction, Wspeed and hero tackle’ability.
I get it CCP is definitely trying their best, im starting to think CSM is the problem all this years.
Your words sound so right Martin Vanzy.
Does this matter for anything else than rolling frig holes? For normal holes, you can just as well throw mass into it with normal rolling BSes as long as you are sure it won’t collapse. Then you leave one rolling BS out, and crit the hole with 100mn higgs fitted cruisers. And THEN you bring the battleship back with MWD on.
You don’t even need SP to fly a HIC that way.
And how can you be sure about this? The chance of rolling out 100mn cruisers and thereby trapping characters out of the chain is very much higher especially for wormholes that have seen high traffic or have been left crit after a fight.
Yes, there are ways to close WHs without a HIC most of the time but if you live in J-Space long enough you will at some point almost definitely need one.
to SwiftSpear:
Sir, please don’t stop playing Eve Online forever because of a probably-temporary brain freeze on the part of CCP/Pearl Abyss. This game desperately desperately needs dedicated and knowledgeable pilots who are willing to invest the time needed to both enjoy the game and eventually have some sort of meaningful influence over what happens within the game. The Eve universe DOES NOT need skillful pilots in great numbers forever leaving because of current CCP/Pearl Abyss policy.
RIP…
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You do realize a video game and a Gym in real life are different right?
No, that’s not true. As long as the hole is not already critted, there’s no risk. If a 2k or 3k hole is not critted, a 100mn higgs cruiser is never going to collapse it on one go.
Though you are right that if a hole is already critted due to a fight, for example, then it’s not 100% sure without HICs. But that’s much more rare, so is it really that big of an issue?
Only see them used in null? Just curious, how often have you been present when “verge of collapse” wormholes were being rolled? Have you lived in a wormhole for any length of time?
…and when you say
Can you tell me what other “exploit” we can use to close crit holes?
Yet.
They’ve already opened that door. I wonder if the CSM peeps have figured it out already, it’s a normalisation path to bring EVE in line with expectation + behaviour patterns + concepts of other mmo’s.
It’s a fundamental shift beneath the details.
You assume the focus is on the details. It isn’t 
As for CSM, that’s a limited perspective of interests. Not surprising those are special