I agree with your statement. That everything has a counter. And a good number of people do not want to be bother thing about it. ECM can be disheartening if you are the one being jammed because you did not fit to counter it. Now CCP has said do not fly a ECM ship solo because it will not work against Any ship you use it on as far as stopping then from locking on you. So now the solo ECM ship content has been removed from the game.
So neuts and capchargers then? Theyre next, right?
Then theres damps and disruptorsā¦
The thought of an Abitrator nerf would make me laugh if it wasnt so likely now
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ECM is fine as it isā¦ If people donāt fit and skill against it they deserve to die.
No one complains that you need to fit warp stabs to not get tackledā¦
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Iām no PvP player, but wouldnāt it be just as disheartening to be caught by a lachesis kiting you whilst damping. You canāt get a lock and just die slowly, same thing isnāt it?
Oddly enough the scripted SEBO is the counter here too I thought?
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Normal storyā¦ Trained all my guys to fly Raptors, not for combat, just to be able to move around. @CCP_Falcon Please give us back some skill points to train up one of the other ceptors that are not going to be effected.
@CCP_Falcon is there already an idea about the mass module and when it will be released? What should wormholer do meanwhile to Close crit whās? Now we have to wait for a day before we can do next pvp Action?!
FYI @RedSunset that is being discussed here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/t/potential-fix-for-whers-for-the-500mn-hic
I like the jamming tweak: sensible, and realistic.
Jamming the Jita spam would also be sensible, and realisticā¦
no your wrong briscal, there are a LOT of counters to combat ceptors A LOT. Some have already been mentioned, there are more for a clever group of players.
how did you make it onto the csm with so little knowledge of fleet doctrines and mechanics?
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and you cant expect to run into an ecm boat on every trip out so whats your point exactly? that the few that are out there should be ineffective?
ECM has already been balanced out of large and medium gang warfare, why the hell is it now basically being ābalancedā out of every other type of combat?? this makes absolutely no sense.
Counter play? well now people just need to field two ecm boats i guess? i mean its not like you can counter well by using your own ecm anymoreā¦ but damps just got effectively a lot stronger vs ecmā¦ this isā¦ just dumb.
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untrue, ideally they should be used as wingmen to other ceptors or antitackle of fleet ceptors, without the nullification they can no longer do this; and tbh there are plenty of counters to small gangs of ceptors; i mean sure if someone fields 300 of them theyre gonna give you a bad dayā¦ but 300 of anything is usually a bad day.
But with the proposed changes they will effectively be out, simply just no real reason to use one over an af.?
Im still confused as to how people are still confused as to how to deal with these though tbvh.
Hows facwar?
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The proposed changes to ECM are a very a bad idea. It makes ECM useless in 1v1 combat situations, which has been commented on quite a bit already. I use ECM on indy ships, (Epithal, Iteron, etc) to break lock-ons, to break tackle. This has saved me many times over the years. Now that will no longer work. You did not solve any āhelplessā problem by allowing a tackler to stay locked on an indy ship, when the indy ship needs ECM to break the tackle. If ECM is a problem, you need to fix ECCM, or maybe the dones engage command can attack the nearest hostile if nothing is locked (like auto targeting missiles).
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So, why does no one come forward and admits that the ECM change and the HIC change are badly thought out and shouldnāt go live like this?
Is it just Pride?
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Actually i just turn and burn, if people follow me outside of ecm lock range i can kills them.
LOOOL
Counters.
*skills
*eccm or signal amps or even grails
*counter ecm with ecm
*counter with other ewar like damps
*drop fresh drones just before jammer attacks - they auto aggress the jammer
*bring a friend with anti support ship - kitey stuff usually with good range
*fof missiles (lol)
If your concerns are directly related to solo pvp you should try not to brawl all the time i guess?
All this change will do is make people use logistics more, same effect essentially; you might be able to lock but you sure as s**t aint gonna break anything.
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My concerns are more relates to industrial/transport applications. I typically have a targeted ECM, an ECM Burst (in case i get jammed, or break lock fast in Null, LS or WH). I am not shooting up anyone in an Epithal or Iteron, also they do not carry drones.
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fit stabs.
Wellā¦ isnt it a little too much coincidence that all those changes fit perfectly to the safer backyard called delve?
Take away 500mm Hic - makes it harder to wh roll into delve. = safety for miners and ratters.
And if u make it, there is the ECM nerf hat will render falcons in bomberfleets vs rattingcarriers useless and makes it much harder to kill those ratters?= safety for miners and ratters.
Take nullification from combat interceptors- stopping the hit and run ability, making it much harder for those fleets = more safety for miners and ratters.
And no, its not okay that we will fly fozzydictions after the nullifuckation patch which is completely biased and content destroying .
Besides after that those tearbears will vote to remove nullification at all and after that cloaking. All in favor of the one bloc 6 csm belong to and which one isnt beatable (atm) in open direct engagement warfare.
Sorry, the so called october ābalanceā patch is utterly BS. It is just wrong and unfair.
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I fit stabs too, but sometimes you need to break a lock so you can cloak and burn out of a bubble (that has saved me in the past too). Letās face it, the proposed change is a really bad idea. If they want to make locking the jamming ship a bonus to ECCM, fine, at least there is a slot invoved, rather than it being a freebie
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as ecm is chance based, plenty of times ive failed to get jams off on just one target even when fitted racially; i dont understand the intended change one bitā¦
Can CCP stop messing with balance next year and just focus on game mechanics? FW is completely broken and forgotten
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