Yeah.
Not people in general, âbulkâ afk VNI ratting botters are the main target here as far as I have understood it.
But I wish they would have chosen something other than VNI drone speed bonus nerfing and increasing the signature of the VNI - but Iâm (still) not sure what the alternative should have been.
Pretty much every other single game out there, doesnât require you to constantly replenish your assets after suffering losses. Eve is literally built on the fact that what you fly, you forever risk losing, and as such, must also find ways to fund the replacements.
If you donât want to grind for as much ISK/resources, then fly less expensive ships. Thatâs what most pure PvPers tend to do. If you want to fly the juicy stuff, then congrats, get into the grinder.
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It is very easy to see what will happen the people with overwhelming protection vs the ones with little or none in comparison.
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One of the things that makes EVE different (and I think better) is that there are two ways to cover a subscription - either pay for it directly, or earn the isk in game to pay for the plex. With Alphas and Omegas already we have a bifurcation, and I donât think it would be a good idea to create a third one between Omegas that plex and Omegas that subscribe. The reality is that subscription is already a better deal for players because itâs 14.95 a month, as opposed to 500 plex (one monthâs game time) which costs 19.95 if youâre buying the plex from the store. So, in the end, youâre getting a better deal subscribing. I think thatâs probably enough of an incentive right there.
Itâs usually a good basis for balance changes. Since Eve culture is very much about min-maxing, the ship(s) that are most popular are usually the ones that are most powerful, and should be scrutinized out of a balance perspective.
The fact that weâve come to a point that you werenât even competitive in mining without having a Rorqual, almost making it a requirement to fly one in order to keep up, speaks volumes in terms of how out of whack Rorquals were.
Youâre a renter in the biggest rental group in the game, protected by one of the largest supercap fleets in the game.
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Dude, Iâm not talkin carriers and suchâŚHow much do you think I can make ratting in an VNI? If I do one site a day (~1h) I think I can make around 50-60mil), thatâ will buy me an inty in nullâŚ
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While not a bad idea, no cap is safe just because of the umbrella. Just looks at the killmails for delve.
Speaking as a guy who mainly did nullsec roaming who obviously has no bias at all the only real problem with super umbrellas is the word super. If alliances were bridging in subcap gangs, even blobs, theyâd still save stuff and actually start a fight at the same time.
When I resubbed in 2015 I moved from the big nullsec alliance life to a small gang corp and we got actual subcap fights in nullsec every single day. When I let my subs lapse again last year that play style was practically dead, replaced with FAX and supers everywhere you go. I honestly donât know what we as a community gained through this shift but we lost a play style that filled nullsec with little skirmishes that everyone could take part in. It wasnât even expensive to take part in. No isk grinding required, most alliances SRP t1 hulls and tacklers.
Ok this is a great idea! @CCP_Falcon
That has nothing to do with it, and u think they come every renter pleaâs for help certain things must occur for them to intervene we protect ourselves on the most part.
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i pvp with sub caps everyday now idk what your talking about
sorry if your team of 5 frigs and 1 sabre cant kill a capital
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I like this 
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Killing them will still be just as easy. Itâs the thieves thisâll hurt.
I got one! How about âdonât need to spend your ISK on PLEX to maintain the faster training time you get as a subscriber!â
Cuz, you know, if youâre subbed with actual money, you are getting some ISK every month, in effect. And youâre getting a faster training time than alpha clones. So good job! Your proposed benefits already exist!
i just find so oxymoron pvpers complain so much about krabbing this and that when its the people that build there â â â â they fly and die in.
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So whatâs the problem? 50-60 mil per hour is a very good ratting figure, and the fact that you can pretty much do it AFK makes it even worse.
Regardless. The changes to the VNI has maybe an impact of 5% reduced ISK/hour, due to slightly longer travel times between targets for the drones. And the drones spend the majority of the time shooting battleships anyway.
The core principle of the game, as I wrote above, still remains though. If that concept doesnât suit you, then quite frankly, maybe Eve doesnât suit you.
Why should we want to start a fight? I mean, Iâm all for âyour PVE has been interrupted by PVP you didnât want!â but that goes both ways. If you can interrupt someoneâs isk-making in a way they donât want, then they can respond in a way you donât want. Seems perfectly fair to me.
Thatâs very true. But how many caps are actively being flown in delve, and how big is the percentage out of those that actually end up dying?