Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees

[Agondray]

time for the new jita to become perimeter

[Theo_Herald]

Higher tax for me will simply mean it will take more time for me to get the isk I need to play.
I won’t necessarily spend more time in game, I have a life.

I was thinking of going Omega pretty quick but now I won’t, not until all of my skills max out as an Alpha and even then it’s not guaranteed I will.

If CCP wants to take my Isk away in small increments with their taxes I’ll simply withhold my real-life money from them by not getting Omega or buying PLEX.

I can still enjoy the game in a corvette and Venture.

[Rexxar_Santaro]

It will have a big impact on industrialists and traders, not even in H-Sec. Those in N-Sec frequently “buy cheap and sell expensive” because it’s what a trader must do, whatever it is to buy/sell: components or finished goods. Even for current minimal tax and broker’s fee values, these expenditures are “cringy high” when they goes like 333 589 099 ISK, 789 900 888 ISK per big transactions.

Perimeter Keepstar is a good place to sell some very expensive but logistically light goods like PLEX, SKINS, Skill Injectors and Extractors etc. But being a trillionaire, I’ll never put the entire 500T ISK Jita trade market in that Keepstar nor in any Palpatine one. Today that thing is invincible, because almost all are interested it to be such, tomorrow that can be destroyed or self disbanded. Eve N-Sec SOV has a lot of such stories. Therefore, entire Jita market will be in Asset Safety and there always will be a guy, which will wish to have the highest kill-cost on zk. For somebody it will be a big impact, for others, which will fail to get assets in time, - it will turn into bankruptcy. It can destroy entire H-Sec industrialists and traders. Compared to this scenario, that Burn Jita is a slider group in a nursery school.

You can watch curently how PIRAT (joined with Marmitre) and other mercenaries are very interested in destroying H-Sec Azbels and Tataras, which they never done so intentivelly and periodic before. First two timers are done in Talos or Rattlesnake fleets, while the Hull timer is performed in Leshak fleets. Are they were paid to do this?

My expectations. There are no other incoming changes to skills and production to reduce the price of manufactured goods. Therefore, in my opinion, as always happens in real world, the increased tax and broker’s fee expenditure values will be projected into some stuff prices wile other goods will be sold via contracts. Therefore, big intrepeneurs will have to come to a verbal deal and sel/buy big assets by using contracts at Jita or other Citadels. Therefore, for this may be created new sites and in game channels.

[Tipa_Riot]

@Rexxar_Santaro

Today that thing is invincible, because almost all are interested it to be such, tomorrow that can be destroyed or self disbanded.

Which will become less likely with every change CCP does. When they make New Eden less safe, more and more people will consolidate in goons and pets. I don’t believe in Goons/Test/Panfam all to disband or go on war against each other anytime soon. TTT is probably the safest place in New Eden right now.

[Ramona_McCandless]

Im with this guy

[Rexxar_Santaro]

No. They will not disband as “skill urself” recently did. They just can disband/dismantle the Keepstar or a corporation only, if their priority task is to destroy the H-Sec traders and industrialists. TEST and Imperium market is self-sufficient in their core Regions. They will damage the finances of other Alliances by doing this, which have their own industrialist and trader ALTS. By controlling that TTT, the owners can perform a perfect operation with minimal loses.

Just remember: “Nothing in EVE is eternal except Asset Safety”.

[Yura_Ersh]

Yes, there must be a mechanism for withdrawing money from the game. But it is better to make as in your the game Black Desert. There in production is bound to have components that are bought from NPC. Let these components make up 10-30% of the ship’s production cost. The result will be much higher than this tax increase and an extremely unpopular locale shutdown in NullSec.

[Azalais_Selenica]

@Joanaas_KILLforFREE

I won’t be using player owned station for trading, since there are no guarantees they who control the citadels won’t just turn off market modules and leave all my orders and money frozen…

If you are so concerned why wouldn’t you just set up your own station?

[Tipa_Riot]

@Rexxar_Santaro

if their priority task is to destroy the H-Sec traders and industrialists.

They will not kill their passive income cash cow with ratting taxes tanking in nullsec. Goons are maybe the most rational thinking group in New Eden.

[Iceacid_Frostpacker]

@Merior

Look at your asset value, calculate how much it would depreciate by if CCP grab an extra cut if you sell. Then ask yourself what gain you get. We know, however, that rather than address the issue of Alphas departing as fast as they join CCP prefer to use all measures to force us to get out our credit cards to survive. That’s CCP’s contribution and it’s up to us to find ways of cutting CCP out of trades.

Oh and ask yourself what is going to happen to the markets when all these stocks of materials start getting dumped.

Basically I like you run the same risk of having my/our assets change value the very moment I/we undock so currently I/we should be more concerned that Code. will grab my/our stuff to sell.

I know what I would do when that day comes, seek revenge like a wave of frozen thorns of acid that pierce the very essence of space! (RIP Charles…) quote; “Few persons care to study logic, because everybody conceives himself to be proficient enough in the art of reasoning!”

[Azalais_Selenica]

@Mizhara_Del_thul

are people we really don’t want to lose

“Rorqualers aren’t the people we really don’t want to lose.”
“Capital pilots aren’t the people we really don’t want to lose.”
“Nullsec carebears aren’t the people we really don’t want to lose.”
“Alphas aren’t the people we really don’t want to lose.”
“Highsec indies aren’t the people we really don’t want to lose.”
“Mission runnes aren’t the people we really don’t want to lose.”
“Wait, where is everyone?!”

[Pangor_Olerie]

I see this as not a huge change all it will do is change prices we all factor this before we make buy or sell the greater effect will be on multi level manufacturing which will take a bit more maths
the changes really play slightly more in the risk reward mechanics of using player stations and brokering private deals traded on contract

[Aedaxus]

@Big_Lynx

One question: Why?

WAR!, we’re going to war! The Empires need YOU and your ISK.

Starship Troopers - Going To War

[Makshima_Shogo]

I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the future changes is that people with - sec standings cant enter high sec and are stuck in low and null, it will come eventually, to protect the newer players.

Wouldn’t bother me either way I’d happily live in low and null only with my soon to be -10 and just have a low sec trade hub.

Then you traders with some balls will be able to move things from high to low and make a good profit at a risk :].

[IbanezLaney]

Can’t you just remove ship insurance?

[Scoots_Choco]

It’s pretty cute that you think lowsec trading hubs will exist in anywhere near the same capacity that highsec Hubs like Jita or Perimeter.

[Erasmus_Grant (Francis Thay Giao)]

“So now we’re in the cruel but fair tier. It’s just this is a lot to do with the black out with the drifters, with a is faucets and sinks. They are out of whack. The, there’s way too much ISK the system. Velocity of money is not high enough. There’s a lot of fundamental economy problems which we’re going to be addressing.”

". It’s currency devaluation of ISK, and ISK is the, is that representative of the value of work in EVE Online. And that actually means when the ISK to PLEX value is falling. Um, then working in EVE Online is not valuable enough and that goes a lot into the botting issues. But we were thinking bout like risk reward dynamic in NullSec. So we need to post so that ISK gets more valuable and that’s kind of a health indicator of the overall economy and it’s out of whack and ugly. Uh, we both have just done overall out of whack issue. And then we have like a teeny coefficient issue. Some people are too rich, the richest 1%, in EVE online is way too wealthy and way too powerful, too vastly out of market’s worse than reality. And the reality is pretty bad. "

Hilmar CEO of CCP

Those “1% NullSecers” are “ruining” the economy so were going to increase taxes at NPC Stations so you if care about maximizing your profits you’ll have to use the stations of the people we claiming to be trying to nerf. There are better ISK sinks if they were interested in ISK sinks.

Just shows how stupid CCP when it comes to Economics. There isn’t velocity of money issue in EVE Online its not possible. You dont have a central bank that gives money to retail banks and other credit institutions to encourage more leaning and spending. You caused the inflation by a combination of Rorqual mining, SP farming, and Abyssal Deadspace. Not enough people buying PLEX with real fiat currency isn’t velocity of money issue. Its a people figuring how to play EVE without spending a dollar because CCP has prove not worth giving money too or its honestly people do not want to invest into this mess of a game now.

[Luscius_Uta]

I know how to create or join a corp, thank you very much. That is not my problem, but there’s still many people ratting in npc corps and my problem is that portion of their bounties is removed from the economy entirely. Staying in npc corp had a big benefit of making you unwardeccable, but now that has changed. Maybe npc corp tax should be removed, but if not, then there should be a way for players to collect them, maybe by deploying a structure in the system where bounties are gained, and yes, even in highsec…especially in highsec.

[Unknown_Antihero]

Interesting

[Pangor_Olerie]

or better solution a half way tax on non war dec player corps with an opt in war option with 14 day and a nice isk cost to return care-bare best of all worlds and plays nice with risk to rewards