I was ganked once long ago - when I didn’t know about suicide ganking yet and was autopiloting some officer module in a rifter to Jita. Never have been ganked while ratting in hs. I keep autopiloting things even today (to hell CODE and other “ideological” gankers, my time and nerves are more precious anyway than a ship and implants), just take some precautions. Like, use a tanked indie/transport with 20-50k EHP, and not more than 200-300kk of goods in it. If I need to move something bulky and/or pricy, I just use courier contracts, a lot of people are ready to haul things in empire for ridiculously little money.
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This right here, this is hilarious. You all seem to think that PVP in this game is some sort of leet, hardcore, badge of badassery. Listen bud, there is nothing hardcore about orbiting at 10 k and activating all your mods, there’s nothing leet about hot-droping a fleet onto a gang you outnumber 10-1. There is nothing badass about ganking unarmed indies. No matter how bad you want it, and I know you want it oh so bad, but PVPing in Eve does not = /IAMVERYBADASS. I’m sorry to tell you this, but outside of some exceptional FC’s there is no skill behind PVP in this game. So you can put your epeen away now because it is embarrassingly small.
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Oh, and nice KB by the way you badass bittervet you 
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I can understand that you are now sick of PvP. Therefore, there isn’t any point in playing EvE which is entirely a PvP game. Everything is PvP. You expressed a desire to be an industrialist. Every ship you make and sell is one less that I can sell. You could ruin my business. PvP.
And of course, suicide ganking is PvP. The term is simple - player versus player. There is no inherent concept of fairness in the term. If you have PvPed for 20 years, you will have done many different sorts. Maybe you chose games that had an enforced ‘fair fight’ system, or maybe it was structured as a sandbox ‘rock, paper, scissors’ contest like EvE, where your choices prior to the fight gave a significant advantage. Did you PvP in solo games, or games like EvE where having friends (it’s a MMORPG) is very important?
Suicide ganking is player(s) versus player, and legal. It’s PvP.
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I share your feelings regarding forced PVP & ganking in high sec. I recently returned after nearly 5-1/2 years away.
Do not allow the forums to shape your opinion or influence your decision to come back. There are MANY systems in which you can operate in which those activities do to occur.
That report does not distinguish between ganking and other forms of PVP (consensual duals, losses due to attacking someone with suspect status, battles between legal war targets, etc).
Also, it includes all losses, so (for example) ships lost during missions and those destroyed by the relatively new NPCs from the the pirate Forward Operating Bases.
Then eve might not be the game for you as I said earlier.
Suicide ganking is PVP. It’s not symmetrical PVP, but there is plenty you can do to prevent it. Fit higgs anchors to drastically increase your mass, making you drasticly more resistant to being bumped and much quicker to align if you get bumped, stay aligned, fit warp stabs or inertial damps, and stay at the keyboard. Those are all direct player vs player.
Alternatively, you could tank yourself as best as you can, and simply try to be too tough a target to be worth killing.
As for the other forms of ganking, don’t use AP when you are going somewhere with expensive cargo. Besides the fact that you’ll get there faster by driving manually, you’ll be able to warp from gate to gate before gankers can get much of a bead on you. If there are gankers? boost back to the gate if you can’t align before they point you. They can’t jump through if they aggress, but if you don’t return fire, you can.
It’s not “traditional” walk into your target and hope your numbers are bigger pvp, but it is in fact PVP, with very skills that factor into it beyond the SP of various characters.
I’ve burned through gatecamps in a hauler fit to blockade break. It’s an exciting and tense moment of hoping you’re able to align before they throw enough points on you or blow you up with pure alpha. I enjoy doing that sometimes.
It also likely includes gankers killed by CONCORD - how a ship dies is irrelevant, the fact that ships die is essential to create the demand side of the economy.
FWIW, I don’t think PVP in any video game is some sort of elite, hardcore badge of badassery.
Highsec is the least dangerous place to be. According to last month’s MER, 3.1T ISK was destroyed in The Forge of all causes, not just suicide ganking, while 1600T+ ISK moved in and out of the same region. That is a 0.2% destruction rate meaning that highsec is in fact, almost perfectly safe.
Those numbers mean that 99.8% of people have figured out how to move about and operate in highsec without being exploded. This isn’t rocket science: putting yourself in that vast majority is almost trivial if you do anything to defend yourself. Basically, unless you sit in a popular system, in an undertanked/overloaded ship while AFK or auto-piloting, you will never have a problem.
Ganking is as much PvP as any contest in Eve where two players have conflicting goals. Sure, if you AP your freighter through Uedama while you make a sandwich you are playing Eve more as a ‘Clash of Clans’ style strategy game where you set up your defence and your opponent has to deal with your preparation (or lack there of), but that is your choice. You can stick around to defend your stuff, or better yet just don’t expose yourself or make yourself a profitable target.
It’s probably for the best you realize that you don’t want to play a full-time PvP sandbox game where nowhere is safe by design before you sink any time or money in the game. It’s strange perhaps to feel the need to broadcast your personal preference as if it means something or that the people who do enjoy such a game are bad people because they aren’t like you, but I guess it can’t hurt to remind CCP there are gamers out there whose needs aren’t met by their flagship game to help guide their other projects.
Different strokes for different folks and all.
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Why is mining without due care in EvE without being PvPd something some people expect when if you did it on a PvP server in WoW youd undoubtedly get rolled and know why?
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Almost exclusively open-world sandbox pvp. For the last half-dozen years it’s been pretty much the survival genre. DayZ, Rust, 7D2D, etc… And Ark, mostly Ark. Yes, I play with a tribe in Ark, it’s absolutely necessary as the game is utterly brutal.
I’ve only ever had 1 gank attempt against my industry/hauler alt in 5 years, and it wasn’t even CODE, and he routinely flies in and out of Amarr. Ganking isn’t a problem unless you’re being careless and/or dumb.
Not sure why a serious indy player would be in high sec anyway, unless you only ever plan to make T1 stuff.
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Lucky for you one does no longer need to sub to login and contract all your stuff. You can now play for free. Looking forward to all that stuff.
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Good to know. So as I said before, if you send me 500 plex, I’ll DL the client, and make up a contract.
…I’m starting to like you, Brosco.
I also have just returned after a break and was also annoyed to learn suicide ganking is still a problem.
I was auto piloting to Dodixie in a POD. I can’t haul anything in a pod, but was still targeted and blown up. No Implants, nothing. Just POP! I spent a few minutes asking myself why would I be targeted, then I just realized that the guy was probably bored, and or a RL A-hole.
It’s not even cute. I run missions. I don’t haul billions in items. Why blow up my pod?
Eve is a cold harsh place, and no-where is 100% safe, but when your gameplay revolves around inconveniencing people, you have to stop and wonder at what point is this just emergent-gameplay and when does it start to become griefing?
I predict this game will continue to hemorrhage it’s new-playerbase if these simple things aren’t mitigated. New players won’t understand these concepts and will opt to leave. Older players like myself know what steps need to be taken to minimize the risk.
Suicide Ganking is a HUGE problem with this game, and will surely turn new players away from subscribing, or even recommending the game all together.
For me, I’m going to utilize these kill rights and start hunting down some of these a-holes.
Why do you need the 500 PLEX? You don’t want to play anyway and you can contract me your stuff just fine without subscribing. You can’t use your space stuff in ESO you know.
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I think he might be trying to scam you, or at the very least throw some of your material wealth in the trashbin on his way out. It’s the kind of spitefulness I can respect.
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OP is the kinda guy who doesn’t want to visit New York until Manhattan becomes one giant Bed, Bath and Beyond
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What I don’t understand is why would ANY ship in the eve universe would not be armed? The changes to mining barges at least being tougher is a step in the right direction. A HAC with a cargo hold. One can only dream…
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