[Discussion] PLEX and Omega price changes feedback thread

As I put on Hateless youtube channel after he posted this update from CCP.

“I think CCP just made up my mind for me, looking ways to pinch some money back. Times are getting toughter, especially in Europe, the price of electricity is horrendous and getting worse next few months. I sub 4 accounbts by cash, so paying 44 ish pounds up to prob closer to 55 to 60 quid a month for a game i casually play, one or twice a week. No brainer unsub button is getting hit. Great game, but I am a serious vet of 14/15 years I can seriously move on and this just made up my mind.”

I will standby this, given the player on online skus off the last few years I foresee the death knell comming a game as player base wains even more after a sucker punch. Player numbers are down and this will just tip a lot of older players to say cheerio thanks for the memories.

Just my two cents. Pressing the unscribe button aftyer April unless CCP majorily rethinks or implements there stance. I dont think I am alone in this thimking, so gool luck and thanks for the memories.

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Well, at least I can afford to keep paying for my Netflix now after unsubbing my accounts.

Thanks, CCP for wasting my time returning to this game to get eye gouged for a game with next to no new content and even fewer players than it used to have.

If you continue like this you will kill the game completely because you won’t be able to pay the electricity bill with the lack of subs.

CCP Jokers!!

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even if you brought alliance skins and corporation skins it wouldn’t be worth 20€ per month

20 bucks for a game sub is preposterous… no other MMO that I know of is that expensive… :rage:

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No other MMO hammers their subscribers like Eve Online’s Scarcity has done, they bring it back slightly and we should be grateful for the lack of Isogen/Noxcium, reactions that we have to do in Low-Sec. In fact, the High-Sec industry has been messed up that much this game is seriously on the out. “Your dead but don’t know it yet”

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Considering the fact that the last few years of “development” have consisted of making the game worse to play, we were not getting good value for our money before the raise.

Tell you what… revert the game to 100% pre-blackout and cyno changes and I will pay $20 a month.

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Why pay them extra for un-messing the stuff they messed up. Not going to wash with me.

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not good enough whip

If there’s 9 million subs to EVE, then the price increase means 9 million folks will have 1 less Starbucks coffee, that’s a lot of coffee CCP are taking.

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Ohhh. I get it. Burn Jita.

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Its not like this game is hurting for money. They make a ton of money.

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Especially, i never bought one of these overpriced things… so its more like 5 Cups regular. Thats even worse! they make the poor coffee farmer sad!

but greed is good so whatever. nn

Hi I don’t know if I can afford to pay my 2 accounts now to be honest, if not then I need to stop playing this game.

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Well they want u to pay 5 star gaming for a 2 star game game has dc’ed me 8 times over the last 2 days

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I don’t agree with the price increases at all and I’m on the fence whether I resub or not. I hope they reconsider the changes.

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a corpmate would now just say: Stop beeing poor, its that easy!

ccp dont cares if you cant afford it.

i cross my finger and cant wait for fanfest, it will be mindblowing.

NO!
it will be Breathtaking!

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I think this might be a better way of looking at it too. It’s one thing to be upset about the price increase, but I think a lot of the genuine anger about this is coming from CCP not making any genuine and meaningful updates to the game in years, only to then be like, “So yeah… we’re gonna need even more money from you guys. But he, we TOTALLY PROMISE we’re gonna have some super-fantastic-ultra-awesome stuff in the future we can’t talk about now to justify it! You just gotta trust us now, like you did the last two years when we never delivered.”

Looking at it from that perspective, I completely understand why people are throwing in the towel and walking away.

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And no other MMO out there has a business model that typically leans on having multiple accounts active in order to make any real tangible progress in the game. That’s the part that really sucks about this: most other games ask $10-$12/mo and you pay that one fee. CCP on the other hand, has its hand out asking for twice that amount, and wants it per account knowing full well you need multiple to make any serious progress.

I think some people who say this isn’t that bad are missing that key detail - I personally run two accounts, my brother ran three and most of my old corp ran bear minimum two each. That’s anywhere from $40 USD to $60+ per month - no game is so special that it’s worth the price of a brand new AAA game every month just to log in and play.

And for those would would claim the “It’s your choice to run multiple accounts” garbage, move along. This game is designed from the ground up to require you to either coordinate with other active players, or to make alts.

CCP needs to back some of this price hike off - effectively just doing “The Big Ask” strategy, but they also need to look into discounts for running multiple accounts. There are a lot of people who simply don’t have the finances to pay what CCP’s going to be asking for their game. Their game that hasn’t had any major content update in YEARS and hasn’t seemed to do a good job of listening to its players that keep its lights on either.

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I have made an effort to support CCP’s change, and all I see day to day is more and more of my posts being removed by the CCP forum responders.

I am really getting sick of it now.

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Sure, but the reason your tub of butter costs more is because of the increase in delivery costs, primarily. Fuel prices and supply chain disruptions are the major causes of inflation at the moment.

CCP, on the other hand, doesn’t have an increase in delivery costs. Yes, energy prices in the UK are spiking, but most of the costs associated with delivery of a digital service have been steadily dropping, for years. And while the email and devblog imply the biggest factors are costs incurred, CCP Paragon explicitly stated in his Q&A that the ‘primary reason’ for the price hike… is that CCP’s Russian customers can’t pay, at the moment. Which is a massive problem for the ‘stuff costs more’ defense… because ‘stuff costs more’ apparently isn’t CCP’s issue. CCP’s issue is ‘We don’t have enough customers around the world to absorb the loss of 2 countries’—and their response is a move that will only reduce the number of customers they do have.

Now, set aside the issue of ‘should we subsidize the Russians?’ That inevitably leads to pointing fingers in ways that don’t help anyone. Instead, let me simply redirect that chain into this:

If Paragon’s correct, why is CCP lying to us in the devblog/email?

If Paragon’s wrong (and I doubt he is), why is CCP lying to us in a Q&A?

In either case, why should we be charitable in what we expect for our subscription fee, if they’re going to be lying to us?

But to more directly address the issue of ‘why should customers expect new and/or improved content with a change in price?’, I’d say rather that that’s a misunderstanding of the objection.

It’s not that customers should expect new and/or improved content with a change in price, but that customers expect new and/or improved content regardless, as part of the subscription model. One of the justifications for the subscription model is continued development of the product, which means periodic improvements and expansion. In the eyes of many of their customers, CCP has not delivered on that—they have not provided actual improved gameplay, merely hampered pre-existing gameplay, and then claimed ‘improvement’ when they have partially mitigated some aspects of the deterioration they themselves inflicted upon their service.

The comparison in your analogy would be if your local dairy took the butter you had been buying, and introduced just the tiniest amount of rancid egg yolk, then tried to claim a ‘new and improved’ version ‘now with 50% less rancid egg yolk’… and then used that as the justification for raising the prices.

Had CCP not spent over 2 years actively destroying the viability of a number of the styles of gameplay their customers enjoyed, this price increase would likely not be receiving as negative a response as it is. Had they taken 18-24 months to introduce a number of smaller increases, like $1-2, they’d probably have been just fine.

Instead… as you’ve said, they have not handled this well. Even Paragon admitted ‘the optics here are horrible’. But he’s not helping the optics any with his answers. There were a lot of questions that got answered with ‘wait for Fanfest, it will be that cool’ where that response was simply not appropriate. Answering with ‘I hear you, and I’ll try to get answers for that over the weekend and on Monday, and get back to you’ would have been worlds better.

When someone says ‘my budget doesn’t let me afford this with the number of accounts I have’, telling them that Fanfest will be so cool that it will literally change their financial situation (because that’s what you’re doing when you say ‘I hear you, but wait for Fanfest, I swear’) is just… tone-deaf, at best.

I don’t understand why they announced this now. The question was asked why they didn’t announce this at FF along with the new content that is supposed to justify the increase, and the response was that it would be cowardly. Consider that. Dropping the announcement at 4:40pm local time, right before everyone leaves for the weekend, that’s fine… but telling customers to their faces is cowardly?

Is that kind of answer supposed to just make people madder? And why would you want to make your customers mad right before FF? Why would you want them walking in already pissed off?

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