[Discussion] PLEX and Omega price changes feedback thread

Ehhhh, yes and no. There’s two problems with that: First (and I don’t know that this applies to Fozzie) not all of the developers are coders. Some just use the tools folks like Larrikin can provide them. Second, and this is a much bigger issue: Rewriting the legacy code means interacting with the legacy code. And they don’t know where all the bits of it are or how they work. Most of it’s undocumented, written by people who aren’t with the company any more (and in at least one case, are dead).

That’s why they’ve been moving slowly through the ‘get rid of POSs’ stuff: they can’t delete the POS code, because they don’t know where all of it is. Touch something with POS shields, and the market breaks… and nobody knows where the market’s even calling that code. It’s gotta be like trying to play Jenga… except all of the pieces were made by M.C. Esher, and can’t actually exist as 3-dimensional objects.

And yeah, I get the ‘that’s what they’re paid to do’ sentiment… but it’s not. They’re paid to work on what their bosses tell them to work on. So if you’re gonna get mad at people over it… be mad at the people making the decisions on what gets worked on. Be mad at the manager, not the kid flipping digital burgers.

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If they realize there are other MMOs out there which are not charging the same monthly price and yes I’m saying $20/month is expensive and offering me to discount it by buying more in advance is like paying for an extended warranty on my car and what if I don’t have the car (let’s say they game finally does just call it quits) do you refund my other money?? Nope you keep the money and that’s what CCP will do with my extra months that they gave me at a discount. So sorry the whole discounting thing is still a 30% price increase without anything behind this. CCP offered nothing exciting like Blizzard does with their expansions to explain why I should give them more money and Blizzard didn’t jack up my monthly sub. So CCP says its costing them more electricity bill, yeah it’s costing me more to be online playing the game but I can’t ‘offset that’ to anyone. Sometimes somethings are the cost of doing business and yes an increase inline with inflationary costs I’d tolerate but a 30% jump is bad business; especially without showing anything you are doing for me as a customer for that price increase. I’m sorry if some CCP employee lost money on his Bitcoin investments or some stock and figures I’m the piggybank to get his money back…sorry but that’s not gonna happen.

Yeah, I get how it reads, but when he said it… there was very much a change of tracks in his train of thought there.

they why did they go piss of 1/3 of the game’s population?
why not stay out of the real world politics and war
and keep the russians ingame!
no they had to take stands…
why should we pay for that!

i do not want to sound outragious or strike anyones opinions, but the ukraine/russia war DOES NOT CONCERN EVE ONLINE!

they took a stand and lost 1/3 of the games population.
that is on them not on us paying costumers.
they should assume theyre positions.

Or simply deliver content that is relevant and good so the remainder population actually pays for the change! Else they can eat dirt couse I AINT PAYING war or no war with russion or who ever the hell.

I stay out of politics in real world, the only politics i do is in game and that is already painfull enought!

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Uhm… CCP didn’t do that.

The Russian customers can’t pay because they can’t access the international banking system anymore.

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Sorry but that is totally wrong. It makes life easier to have multiple accounts and you can make more ISK in the end, but it is totally not a requirement.

On just one account you can have a great PASSIVE INCOME:

  • 3x6 PI Planets
  • 3x11 Research Slots
  • 3x11 Reaction Slots
  • 3x11 Production Slots
  • several hundred Market-Orders + Contract Options

Also:

  • 3 different Characters making ACTIVE INCOME by specializing in Hauling, Mining, PvE, Ganking or whatever other options there maybe to make ISK.

And thats just what you can do totally ALONE, just by clever managing your own 3 chars on that same account. With PI, Reactions, Invention and Production alone you can make billions each month. Per Account!

Abyss has made it incredibly easy to grind ISK actively, beginning in cheap ships and reinvesting the money until you can to at least T4 or T5 (which is so easy, basically everyone can do it, all the ships and fits and strats are available for the public). But even a well-skilled missionrunner in a faction-BS will grind serious money by exchanging the LP for factionblueprints.

Now you will answer: “but but but you can only skill ONE character per account!!!” Yeah, and thats absolutely no problem. You are not entitled to have access to the endgame of ISK-generation instantly, you shall make progress over time (and learning the different mechanics while doing it). So you start with one character skilling him until he can do the basic job of whatever you want him to do, be mining, trading or whatever. Then you stop this char and skill the second character until he can do 5 reactions, 5 productions and 5 planets. Then you stop this one as well and train the third one until he can do 1-2-3-4 abyssals. And so on. And over the months and years you will ever-increase your income-options on all 3 characters.

Stop this myth that you NEED multiple accounts. You don’t need them, they are just convenient and a multiplier for your income if you use them correctly. But don’t complain if you can’t manage that, every additional account can easily pay for itself in PLEX, if not, you are doing something seriously wrong and should rethink your business model.

Plex for Ukraine is not taking a stand agains russia?
what do you think the russions have to say about that?

i do think we should all help war victims for sure.
the populations always pays…unfortunatly so yes
any war victim should be helped…

but hey this is a video game.
you take a stand in real life politics in a video game then ASSUME your stand.
dont ■■■■■ on paying costumers that its because of that.

if russians cant pay because of embargos, understandable…
but ccp as failed to deliver content for the last 2 years, and took a stand for ukraine!
so i guess there are alot of russians pissed off out there that would no pay aswell for the fact of ccp taking sides.

doing plex for ukraine IS taking a side!
and no im not from either side.

Just about the only thing I learned from being a CS major before I switched, was that you always. comment. every. single. line. of. code. always. That way you or your successor can come in and know what goes where and what you have to do to change it.

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PLEX4GOOD goes to humanitarian causes. Is the Red Cross taking a side when they go into a warzone to try to help civilians survive?

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Yup. But someone didn’t. And then he got hit by a bus (not kidding).

Here I have to disagree. I listened to that live too, and to me it very much sounded like he said that it the main reason to do it is what was in the release, but there’s additional reasons for why it was done now. I at least took him that way before there even was a transcript.

I think what you heard was he was trying to decide if to mention the additional reasons for “why now” and then went for it. Dunno if it’s related, but CCP’s generally been very chicken to mention anything relating to what they call “the conflict in Ukraine”. Because ya know we’re all friends here.

Well, then we’re gonna have to disagree on that one, because that’s not how it sounded to me. Which is fine, reasonable people can disagree about interpretations.

Where we can’t disagree is on empirical, independently verifiable facts… like Sailor Debes being a thing that CCP must make possible. :smirk:

4 accounts cancelled here, player since 14 years
thanks ccp

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I never said that helping the war victims was bad or that they should not have done it!
but they got involved in real life politics! and are using that as an excuse to raise the prices.
that is low and should not be the issue! If they would deliver content that we are all been waiting
for the last 2 years and still nothing,alot of ppl would not be here bitchin about the price raise.
they can say “we lost the russians” all they want, they DID NOT DELIVER and are yeat ASKING FOR MORE
cash for a game that from were i stand right now IS NOT WORTH 20 bucks per month.

And yes everyone should help humanitarian causes, just dont get involved in the politics…that pisss everone off!

Except they’re not. They didn’t piss off the Russians. They didn’t do something that made the Russians not pay. The Russians can’t pay because the international banking system will not take their money. That has nothing to do with anything CCP did, including PLEX4GOOD. Russian customers are being hit by the economic sanctions the western hemisphere has levied against Russia. That means no banks in the EU, UK, or Iceland, will touch them. So they can’t pay.

THAT is why they’ve lost the Russian revenue stream. Because the customers literally cannot give them money, no matter how much they want to.

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Well they won’t even air it as a war in Russia. They even changed their laws to not call it a war. So yeah so when your dealing with a county that won’t even talk about what’s going on and has no free press it’s an awkward thing indeed.

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I understand that, russians cant pay! banking systems…yes…
why we have to pay the game 20 bucks…because they lost the russians???
where is our content? where? nope dont see it!

and still about the russians not being pissed off…ask them.
to be fair i could not know what russians think i am not russian or live there.
i just stay out of the politics.
If help is need then help should be supplied to those in need, russians, ukrain or whoever is in need!
Just dont use that as pretext to claim money from ppl already paying for something that is on the virge of falling for a very long time!

they want money, we want content…
no content…NO CASH! they can eat dirt for all i care.
Give me content and i will pay! (if its worth it).

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Yes.

Then why’d you get all

Because your options are either: yes, helping civilian victims is ok, or no, helping them means taking a side.

Politics does not stay away from you, though. There’s a war. Sanctions are in effect. Russians literally cannot pay CCP even if they want to.

Don’t want to play EVE? Don’t play EVE. If it’s gotten so bad it’s not worth the new price, I sincerely doubt it’s worth the old one to you either.

Bro, CCP should have stayd out of it!
My opinion is:

  • 1st, help the civilians in need! war is not fair and they always pay!
    -2nd, runing a fund raise for one of the sides IS taking a stand!
    -3rd, they were not wrong to do it! BUT THEY SHOULD ASSUME THEYRE STAND!
    -4th, they have failled for the last 2 years MISERABLY to deliver content!
    -5th, this game is not worth 20 bucks per month, were they have failed 4th !
    -6th, they should keep the real world politics out of the game, specially if they have ingame population on either sides!
    -7th this is a video game, should stay that way, you pay becouse you enjoy playing the good and fresh content they release often witch is NOT THE CASE!

I do not take sides in this issue with the russia/ukraine war, but i do think everyone should help the victims on either side (yes there are victims on either side).