Ok. I $$'d some plex and sold it. There’s now .00001% less demand. I’ve done my part.
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I guess you are tired of reading all the complaints in this thread and want to shut me down, but you’re not getting my point.
- Obviously going to fanfest I want to focus on what makes me a fan. Price increases are not what make me a fan. I’d like to concentrate on the fan part. If you don’t understand that I guess you don’t understand fanfest.
- Don’t waste your time telling me to deal with it, because I’m not paying the monthly tier. People who pay the monthly sub instead of the yearly sub have different cashflow considerations. Anyone who can do simple math knows going for the yearly sub is cheaper than the monthly sub. Yet people still pay for the monthly sub. These players who have weaker cashflows that force them into monthly subs are the ones being screwed. You want to tell these people to skip coffee go ahead, let them eat cake as well
- I’m talking about player progression from free trial/alpha to paid subscriber. I have no idea what you are talking about. But there are no other options than pay or be alpha.
- My point is that it is a dubious sales tactic. Let’s not focus on the precise meaning of “bait and switch”
would thought you learned how make isk so you didn’t have pay to play after 14 years lol
Thank you @LowKey_Chandler and @Arrendis. I should have realized that we had Alpha doctrine ships…duhh.
This is called a forum where people talk and debate. Expect counter opinions and deal with it. Stop playing the victim.
- If they would have said that announcement AFTER and the big announcement, there would be just as much outrage, but a different flavor. If you don’t understand that then you don’t understand human nature.
- Yes. It’s called financial responsibility and if $5 is THAT BIG OF A DEAL then they shouldn’t be paying for a sub in the first place. FFS, gaming isn’t a right…
- “But there are no other options than pay or be alpha.” What? Do you even play EVE?
- You used a term that is illegal in most areas because you wanted drama. How about you don’t do that in the first place and use the correct terms where appropriate
Do that across everything with inflation atm… yeah that kind of rationalisation leads to full blown stupidity.
Why is trying to maintain a personal balanced budget stupid as that is what @Last_Ninja is proposing?
I’ve decided to cancel 2 out of 3 of my Omega subscriptions this evening, i’m cancelling not solely on the news of the price increases but rather more on the fact that to me personally as a player and a multiple subscription based customer of CCP i no longer feel that its worth it anymore to have multiple accounts and also due to the continuous nerfs, scarcity, industry changes and continuous disappointment over the past couple years i want to play this game less and less every day.
My main will remain Omega for now but i’ll be honest i’m not feeling very optimistic.
omg ccp, not even your chat works properly lmao!
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Well i never bought a Coffee for 5$ , dont need starbucks, i rather buy for that coffee beans for a month (ok better 2 weeks tbh)
But lets take a different approach:
for ME: was eve worth it for 12-15$ a month? in the average: Yes, often barely but yes.
is it worth 20$? no not right now…
its same with netflix.
is it 7,99 worth? sure, 12? hell yeah… 18 depends… after 1-2 years watching so much while covid… its getting thin…
and now when i watch barely 2 hours a month and they want to increse it to 22… nope.
hope someone get what i mean with my weird mind.
-and thats just my personal view-
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It’s a lot more than that actually when you account for exchange rates and fees that CCP charge the customer. What was once ~ $20 AUD is now ~ $30+ AUD. Which makes it the most expensive subscription based MMO on the market. Personally, I can afford that no problem. It’s not a question of affordability, it’s a question of value.
But that’s beside the point. And based on your reply you’ve completely missed the point of most people, and my picture.
got 3 accounts and will be downsizing to 1. congratulations CCP on the wisdom of your negative posturing there is literally been NOTHING good from you guys for 2 years and ive had enough. there is NO WAY im paying 60 USD for 3 accounts. absolutely no way. and to the general public. if you dont take a stand now this is going to become the norm.
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So then $0.33 a day? If it’s not about the money then why do you(and most others) keep bringing that up?
And no, I get the point, I just don’t agree with it. I think it’s childish and dramatic and a sign of just how entitled people/gamers are these days. Sorry I had to say that but I fee that you have completely missed my point.
I do agree with your “value” concept though. So there is that…
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Pricing is not determined by what ever the local minimum wage is. Never has been and likely never will be. Sorry.
Yes, perceived value. If that value is greater than the price people will likely stay. If less then they’ll almost sure go. The costs…have little to do with that other than indirectly on the price…but even there it is not some ironclad rule that costs go down therefore price inevitably follows.
You are describing the subjective nature of “value” which is not price. You evaluate your subjective value to the price and decide to purchase or not. The idea that value is objective is errant nonsense. The idea that price is determined only by costs is also errant nonsense. Price is determined by supply and demand and an individual’s decision to purchase depends on their subjective valuation of the product in question. This view of value and price is nothing new…it has been know since the late 1800s unfortunately for most people they know nothing about it.
I’m really struggling to think of anything that CCP has done in the last several years that would be perceived as increased value. The few things that I could list were immediately followed by another crushing blow somewhere else, example being rolling back some of the surgical strike changes just to turn around and nerf small corporations out of the structure game.
I also really don’t see the logic of trying a More is more approach with a 20 year old game rather than a Less is more. Lower sub prices. More people would be willing to spend 10 a month on an omega, or an alt account, or w/e, both newer players and older players like myself who can’t justify spending money on this game anymore because CCP has just kept beating the player base over the head with a stick.
It’s not about the cost increase, it’s about the reduced value of the cost as it was, with the cost increase and a ‘trust us, bro.’ In case CCP hasn’t noticed, they’ve done a remarkable job of breaking people’s trust in them lately. Even more so than usual.
Also, lol, not planning ahead from the get go and now being caught with your pants down that you’re not getting the Russian player base’s money anymore.
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What I just can’t wrap my head around isn’t the pure fixation on new things that are going to be introduced one day
Again, we know so many of these fanfest announcements are ideas not followed through on or just ideas with nothing else, those of us who remember:
Jove space
Jove ships
T2 insurance scaled to T1 ( now T1 insurance isn’t even scaled to the value of the ships)
T3 of all ship types,
T3 weapons,
Incursions with all pirate factions
Now, I won’t deny that some things have been delivered, but let’s be honest, most of what has been happening over the years is changing the same mechanics and drip feeding changes,
So fine, we got stuff, I still remember the first t2 frigate in game being released and it was the interceptor, but that, was a huge opener and the T2 that delivered we all take for granted, was massive.
Those times appear dead and gone and instead we’ve been met with attempts to alter industry, attempts to change mining, attempts to sov holding and instead, it’s stagnated the game, I’m not even a major industrialist but I have built a titan or 2 and now, it’s not just hard, even with the new rebalance, it’s dam near insurmountable and as a result, these supers, titans, even basic carriers are so rarely want to be fielded because nobody wants to lose the, and worried about not being able to replace them, due to the supply lines being cut. How are you gonna solve that under the current broken system apart from ending up with the glue donut in eve to get everyone to work in piece and harmony to gather materials? No, the expensive stuff is hoarded and refused to be challenged because of the vicious cycle of not wanting to lose irreplaceable ships.
I’d pay more if they would roll back the changes to a point, not the very beginning, but make moon mining more achievable, pi less flipping gruesome and turning it from the most tedious grind needing 100 planets to get some base materials to lower cost.
The fun if eve has been taken away, industry jacked, pvp boring at risk of losing big shines toys, mini games so flipping time consuming you don’t get time to actually play the game,
You’ve got miners who can’t turn a profit
Moons nobody but the big blue blobs have access to and don’t share or sell
Industrialists who can’t work out how the hell they could turn a profit with hundreds of people brining in different materials
No mechanic to help work out raw materials needed to build end products what the crap they now have to write code to pull info out, which is limited as hell and doesn’t get you the info you need,
So with all that, all of it, promises not lived up to and a completely shafted industrial aspect which has a direct impact on war and pvp and sov holding/claiming,
I don’t want another year of fake promises, I’d take a year of consolidated work on the royal mess that has been made first
Only then back you 100% at the same time to pay an extra £200 month for my toons and a bit extra for the odd plex here and there. Just don’t flash us shines promises of new content at fan fest. Your track record is horrendous.
Get your house in order! I’ll pay you the extra with no complaints if you did. And a semi roll back? Nah, that’s adjusting a few items on a database for industry, complete cop out, roll it all back, get the game able to use the content they have got again, then, try implementing stuff bit by bit and react quickly to fans when they are screaming for help to put it right,
I don’t want your new content if the current content is so royally wrong, I don’t know how many others feel that way, but I’d be happier to pay for you to reinvest our money in to helping you get it right, quickly.
(that’s just some of the older things off the top of my head)
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The argument is that given there has been a huge global economic up tick on all bills… you cannot apply that sentiment to everything. EG. interest rates going up, cost of petrol / gas / electricity / food inflation etc etc etc…
So yes you can just not have a beer or a Starbucks or whatever but the point is for many on the argument that people are already pinched and this was the dumbest time for CCP to announce the price hike.
Lastly the cost of EVE as a MMO is the most expensive MMO and almost twice the price of any other MMO now. Twin that with a playbase that has decline 30-35% in 10 years, that is worrying as it leads many to believe CCP are doubling down to cash out, twinned with large lay offs at CCP.
It is what it is, but yeah to rationalise “just don’t have a beer or Starbucks”, is a very dumb way to economise when reality would be not to put your money on a video game as that is stupid, but instead put it in a ISA instead…
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disgusting.
blatant corpo greed.
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