Dispelling The Hype Over Alien Life

I don’t trust atomic clocks. It isn’t proven, as far as I am concerned, until they verify time dilation using hourglasses.

Does the past still exist?

I live in a dual universe.

Fortunately, the last cop in town who could remember me from my youth retired. So locally, time does not exist for me anymore.

Unfortunately, on a state, federal and now homeland security level, time still does exist. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

Aliens are irrelevant!

Googled examples of Time Dilation;

Time Dilation Examples

  • Clocks in airplanes click at different rates from clocks on the ground.
  • Putting a clock on a mountain (thus elevating it, but keeping it stationary relative to the ground-based clock) results in slightly different rates.
  • The Global Positioning System (GPS) has to adjust for time dilation.

In the explanation video I posted about the film, the people on the planet close to the black hole gravity source only experienced a few hours flying down to the planet spending a short amount of time there and then flying back. The people waiting on the ship further away from the black hole aged around 20 years. Obviously this is a wildly exaggerated example.

The reason why reality is compared to a computer system/simulation is because of the limits nature seems to have. The universe is an area of space with rules, the big question is what is or how are these rules being enforced and why?

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United States gravity control propulsion research - Wikipedia :yawning_face:

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Lol…he was quite happy to try to put me down with his ’ do you even have a telescope ?', as if I were some clueless clot, but doesn’t like the instant karma on that when I point out that I’ve had a telescope for 50 years, do astro photography, comet and nova observations, and I even have an educational qualification in Astronomy.

I had originally wanted to be an astronomer, but there simply weren’t enough openings so I went into computing.

Now you are going into paradoxes. Linguistics messes here, with mind and memories.
If past still exists, we live in it. Not Future, not Now, but Past. If past still exists, where is that Hitler just about to invade Poland? Of course he lives only in memories. You can literally call past a memory. Memories exist, so past must also, right? No, its only lengths that changes.

Past doesnt exist, what exists is lengths that change.

You seem to not understand or dont want to understand concept of timeless universe. Ok. I can understand that. Its is not easy. Not many people can. Even I cant fully grasp it.

But here is simple experiment for you, show me the time, without lengths of any kind, changing.
Without anything, changing.

How much time you can show me then. How much time you can MEASURE.

Now, is time even so needed, or you just need all those lengths changing, nothing more. Why invent something you dont need? The answer is simple, MIND is playing tricks to survive. For survival you need a concept of memory. You need to write something, so it stays there unobstructed untill more movement make it corrode.

That is you misunderstanding.
There is no time, I use Now as simplification, when I of course mean there is no time present at all, just changing length, which I already said many times. I use Now as an entry drug to that timeless world. But next is that you dont even have now, as when you study now, it unravels to you whole complication of world of timelessness. Observer of course isnt objective but subjective, and only objective thing is that everything changes for everybody, and for everything.

You may even understand it one day. Still living it.

If aliens exist, they can even have that as the primary thing learned by use of learning caps. They would see us and say we are still primitive.

Of course the past exists, If I build a bridge to connect two sections of land with sea between them then there is evidence that the past exists and evidence of past actions because the bridge is still there.

If the past didn’t exist then we would not be able to see evidence of past actions. The car you drive was built in the past if the past didn’t exist then your car would simply disappear.

What is the goal of this experiment? The only way to show you the time will be to give you a numerical value which represents the current moment we are in. You are talking as if time is something you can lock away in a room, it’s not, it is just the measurement of the instances that have past.

So if I start a story with “10 Years ago I met…” then I am referring to a moment that happened when the earth hadn’t yet orbited the sun 10 more times. I am relaying to you a point of reference.

If Time did not exist then the universe would never have been created. there is no other way to refer to an instance other than giving you a numerical value for you to use as reference.

The consensus was to set the current time to the movement of the earth, so “24 hours” is the value of time it takes for the earth to spin once, it is a logical system because the earth is spinning at a precise and strangely constant speed which never gets slower or faster, this can be relied upon to determine a reference for the current instance that is being experienced.

Also, the way the earth orbits the sun seems to be precise, so we have created a system of time based on the way the earth spins AND moves around the sun.

An instance can only be determined by previous instances, So a car can become faulty, in the future someone will drive it and the car will breakdown, the car became faulty in the past so if the past did not exist then how could the car become faulty?

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Nope, it is you who are going into unscientific nonsense despite being given numerous links to the actual science.

You clearly don’t understand relativity at all and just pretend you do. You can have your own opinion, but you can’t just invent your own facts…and when you ignore what the entire scientific community say and present a load of stuff that goes against all the actual science, that is precisely what you are doing.

Seriously, I don’t think I’ve ever come across a case where a person so keeps arguing despite being presented with numerous science links showing they are wrong.

It’s more bizarre than that. The hardest thing to get one’s head around is that a space traveler travelling towards you at near the speed of light would effectively be able to see your future, stuff that has not happened to you yet. To him those events are in ‘the past’, so nothing is violated and he could never tell you what your future is as any message would arrive after the events happen in your time. This is the very meaning of ‘the past still exists’. Your ‘now’ IS the past for someone else…and up to a certain point your future is too !

This is because the ‘block universe’ in which all of space and time exists as a single entity can be ‘sliced’ diagonally depending on the motion of the observer. The famous scientist Brian Greene explains all this in a documentary on relativity that I don’t have immediately available but it exists.

Once again this is all stuff anyone can Google.

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No, the bridge exists, not past. :face_with_peeking_eye:

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That depends on your definition of the word ‘exist’. :wink:

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Someone travelling towards you at the speed of light can actually see your future. Stuff that has not even happened to you yet ! In fact, how far into your future they can see depends only on how far away they are.

This bizarre phenomenon is a direct consequence of relativity. It is a direct consequence of there being no universal ‘now’ in the block universe. Clearly, if your future that has not even happened to you yet can already be someone else’s past…then you ARE ‘the past that still exists’. The past must still exist, because you exist in your ‘now’ that is someone else’s past.

The past still existing is not metaphorical at all…it is quite literal.

Once again, this is what the science actually says, that anyone can look up on Google.

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Ah, here is physicist Brian Greene saying exactly what I’ve said…especially at around 2.40…

In fact here you have Professors Brian Greene, Max Tegmark, and Sean Carroll…some of the most eminent and well known scientists in science, all saying the same as I’ve said. Sorry to have to make a point of it, but their combined knowledge far outweighs ‘some person on the internet’…

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Someone traveling towards me at the speed of light doesnt even exist. :face_with_peeking_eye:

The laws of universe prevent that. You can have light, and it can move relatively to other objects, but light doesnt have eyes.

I “exist” and always “existed” and will “exist” in language, but in fact i am outside time itself. Building blocks of my body are timeless. :face_with_peeking_eye: :milky_way:

I come from distant stars, and I am completely out of this world you know, and out of my mind.

What part of you have been told the laws of the universe and given multiple links to them don’t you understand ? Sorry, but I am just gonna block you as a troll. There’s only so much nonsense a person can put up with.

The Big Freeze will happen.

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oh and I think you mean that we live in this universe as of now so if something changed light years away we’re only receiving that information just this moment.

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I try to put my mind on what [Nana Skalski] was sharing and sort of think it means if something that is traveling at the speed of light doesn’t exist until it is revealed to us.

Only light is traveling with speed of light, of course relatively for humans, as the space can stretch faster than light itself can travel thru it. But you and light cant see it happening (light having no eyes anyway) as you and light stretch together with it like part of cheewing gum, it will stretch as much as chewing gum can. It changes all together. One of the reasons why there is no coming back in time, all this movement would have to be reversed for everything everywhere. Movement of a visionary (like me) also, and that means we would crawl into wombs of our mothers and then implode back into stars as light and maybe even return back to the eons, pumped as the content of the everexisting current of that all-encompassing river, but the other way. If mind is good for one thing, it is learning how all the movements come naturally. And naturally a child moves out of mothers womb.

We talking about atoms right?

like this secret of splitting the beer atom to put the bubbles back into beer.

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