Do problem players have any responsibility to change their own behavior?

Feel free to tell me about my “behavior”. What behavior specifically? What is antisocial or otherwise problematic about it?

And to answer your previous question, no, I’m not a licensed psyciatrist trained to diagnose people with mental disorders based on their posting history. (I think that’s how you phrased it.) No one is. Which is unfortunate, because a few posts from now, when you try to diagnose me as someone with a mental disorder, I’m going to throw this exchange back in your face. :frowning:

So I’ve been trying to follow along with the giant chain of posts in this thread and the train of trolling has been getting messier as it goes. What I can say, is if you all feel that a player is pushing beyond the normal rules into the realm of harassment, please don’t just flag their posts. File a ticket. Include all the information you can. The forums is not the place for that.

Please continue to have constructive discussions or I will have to start cleaning up this thread.

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@discobot quote :shamrock:

:left_speech_bubble: Beauty is all around us amidst strife and turmoil to be seen by those who look not to those who wish. — Byron Pulsifer

I filed a ticket and I am not responding to him anymore.

I think a line has been crossed.

At first I thought the player had only crossed the line a little, so I flagged his post.

His further responses are harassment by any standard.

I hope this can be dealt with, and that CCP consider that these forums DO form a part of the game, and that just as out of game actions CAN lead to in game bans where there is evidence of abuse, this activity is both in and out of game.

I get no satisfaction from this.

EDIT: I filed a ticket through the support website, rather than in game, I hope this is the correct procedure.

SECOND EDIT: I don’t think anyone else is trolling, its just the internet, we are not talking about trolling now, we are talking about repeatedly singling out someone for having a disability, and mischaracterising it as a malfunction, to silence them in a forum, and trying to co-opt others like Diablo, who I seem to be able to communicate with fine in other threads. Its in the ticket.

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While I think this thread is a very important demonstration of the way some people hide behind ‘morals’ to denigrate a community based on none-consensual pvp and to label us all as griefers and sociopaths,

and should stand as evidence for anyone who wants to cry about 'all the toxic behaviour in eve’
that there is precious little toxic behaviour, and usually it comes in the form of
nasty rhetoric from those who don’t like the game or pvp, who come to this place to label and spoil.

I would prefer it if it could be locked now. I am not the OP but I am the guy who gets called out for being disabled every time I try to respond to Mr Mayhaw.

But it should be left as it is, in toto with no clean up.

This is eve. I see an interesting bunch of characters and only one bully, who isn’t getting much or any support.
So if I got my wish, and I’m not the OP I cant request it, it would be closed and tbh stickied.

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Its CCPs responsibility to make sure the rules are fair and just, because there will always be low-life human trash who will take any opportunity to victimize someone just because they can and create all kinds of silly reasons to justify their despicable behavior, especially when they have the protection of anonymity.

― quote by Kurt Vonnegut Jr “We are what we pretend to be, so we must be very careful what we pretend to be.”

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there will always be low-life human trash who will take any opportunity to victimize someone just because they can and create all kinds of silly reasons to justify their despicable behavior, especially when they have the protection of anonymity.

like this behaviour you mean?

You see? Things like this are exactly why everyone regards you as the village idiot. You are totally delusional and nonsensical. Nobody even knows WTF you are talking about. Most people already know to ignore you but don’t believe I will hold back from reminding you of that

Or do you mean this kind of behaviour:

So many stupid regulars in this thread fail to understand or acknowledge that the lack of risk and cost for suicide ganking is the main issue.
Just imagine if high sec ganking actually required the gankers to pay significant cost to gank something. All the pitiful losers preying on noobs in high sec would be forced to find other activities, like providing content as targets to the real pvpers in low and null sec.
This would be a big step towards shedding the mantle that EVE has of being griefers paradise and a joke of a pvp game.

or perhaps this:

Except the game gives you a false sense of security, leading you to believe that if you attack anything in high sec, you will be blown up immediatly. There is nothing in the game that informs you on the difference in concord reaction times, bumping, and what can be done to extend that. People generally don’t like these kind of “surprises”, especially when they see human trash getting away with it, and there being virtually no ability for revenge, since gankers are always flying disposable ships and never lose anything of real value.
The problem is stupidity. Yours and CCPs. You can’t really blame the victim when you don’t inform them on the rules of the game.

All quotes from your own post history- another ‘greifer’ hiding the frustration of his desires behind a wall of hate directed towards these ‘stupid’ ‘human-trash’ ‘losers’- Others who are not him- the performance of this frustration that seems to be the only joy he gets from these posts and this game. Never did let us know why you were temp banned from darkfall?

I understand your frustration with ‘problem behaviour’, but all I can see in your posts is someone calling human beings trash and labelling others as idiots when they offer an agreement counter to yours, an argument which is itself problem behaviour, as its only purpose I can see is to label others for playing a game by the rules and to make them feel bad about it, even if your declared intent is to ‘help the game’ and ‘think of the noobs/children/the game’.

I do not understand your contribution here, (this does not mean I devalue it) when your last post in this thread started with the ‘human trash’, and the thread those quotes of yours are taken from got closed, because trolling- but I do empathise that your mission got invaded and someone margin scammed you and you are an elite darkfall player and real elite pvper, and that the dichotomy between what you desire and what you can achieve in game feels like a violence done UPON you rather than one you exact upon yourself.

Here is another quote:

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” - C.S.Lewis

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Totalitarian minds do not know self reflection. They can not be reasoned with, because they can not think rationally. They reject facts as personal attacks, and reject being called out for their horrible behaviour. They’re spoiled, ruined children in adult bodies. They abuse language and logic and only care about winning arguments to feed their egos. They understand themselves as perpetual victims, who demand that all evil, as they see it, is being erradicated. They do not mentally comprehend that this isn’t real life, because their feelings create their thoughts and worldview, which m<kes it impossible for them to seperate reality from fiction. When something affects their feelings, then it is real for them, and that’s the end of it.

You’re of course priviledged to keep trying, but it’s useless. You can find evidence for my claims all over the forums, especially in all threads about CODE, AFK cloaking, toxic behaviour and when it’s about people declaring themselves as victims. The worst of them, like the guy above, are actual psychos.

That’s a summary of what i’ve learned about them, which hopefully helps you understanding them. They’ve been raised that way, with nothing inside but hate (for themselves) and no actual feelings of self worth. It’s all just compensation, which leads them to pretending they are good people trying to do good for others, blind to the fact that they only ever do it for themselves. I believe Jung wrote something about them in that regard, but i can’t be bothered to look it up.

I haven’t yet figured out how to properly beat them, but socially shunning them is far on top of the list. They can’t be reasoned with, because they lack the ability to think rationally.

Anyhow, this is for you. I’m not going to pay attention to this anymore, as i believe you’ve learned enough. I suggest you stop as well, anx not let the hating machines (they’re honestly mostly robots, i can’t call that behaviour human anymore) trigger you into responding any longer. They just benefit from that.

Let’s share some autistic hugs instead. :grin:

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Have a Hug my friend!

But here’s the thing- I do not seek to beat them, they beat themselves
I am not triggered- this is how I do

Regarding Mayhaw, that is not about trolling or otherwise- either
a) CCP will agree his behaviour towards me became harassment and bullying, and the substance of his attack was my recognised disability, and they will deal with him
or
b)CCP will say no, HTFU

Either way I’m all good- I got to say my piece.

I wont come on here crying and calling CCP or anyone else names.

If you expect these trolls to change, and to beat them, you will only beat yourself.

The idea is to be the example that disproves their rhetoric, for all the lurkers who would otherwise think these forums ONLY contain trolls.

If you try to BEAT a troll, you become a TROLL, if you carry on being awesome there will be at least some awesome.

On another note, a thread about the GSF ‘mandatory Zizek’ bio opened by the antichrist himself diablo, and was closed by ISD as it was a derailment, personally I thought it was a great fun thread so can I post this link here?

Because if you haven’t seen this it might make you laugh it has zizek and cat videos- and it sums this thread up pretty good also (look at how much ‘zizek’ is sweating)

'The moment when there is no longer space between the puppy and what it desires, this is a moment of violence"

http://www.critical-theory.com/slavoj-zizek-reacts-to-the-internet/

CS Lewis is not someone Id choose to take moral guidance from, Id just say that.

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That someone has other views that you disagree with, especially if historically contemporary to their time, doesnt mean they are wrong about something else.

Im a huge Nietzsche fan, but even I disagree with a substantial parts of his views, especially when I utilize the same philosophy he proposes to test them.

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Im not sure what you mean tbh.

The quote suggested that a state which sought to protect its citizens was less moral than one which exploited them.

Im not sure what other than his own view of morality is coming into question?

Im sure your point is valid, Im just too coffeeless right now to get what it is, sorry.

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I read it very differently.

To me, its that if a state seeks to “protect” its citizens from their own views, it is defacto tyrannical, and at worst, justifies this with a moral imperative.

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This is the statement Im not seeing what it means, not the specifics of what his views on the matter were.

What other things other than his moral view do you think Im referencing?

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Put it simply;

A person can say “Ramona’s morals are suspect” and you can agree or disagree.

But saying “Ramona’s morals are suspect because she cant cook ramen properly” would be an incorrect inferrence.

Is this what you mean?

Edit: BTW My ramen are fing great, all the other Blood Raiders say so.

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Solid gold right there.

I wish you would tell us more about these “totalitarian minds”. It sounds like you have a working model for an entire class of problem players. Let us hear and learn about it so we may deal with them more effectively

I mean that in Eliots quote, your morals would be suspect if they didnt match the morals of the state at large. The state would thus curtail your rights, inorder to save you from your own “false” morality, all the time claiming they are doing it for your own good, whereas the pragmatic fact is they are doing it inorder to enforce their own morality on all (ergo: tyranny).

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Yes I understand his position.

But I dont agree with it, and choose not to consider it compatible with my point of view because;

Its a blanket statement that has no citation, but lots of emotive language.

But more importantly from what I know of his life, writing and views, I dont consider him to be someone who has a solid position to support what is or is not moral.

Im thinking that this second point is what you are getting at; however given that its still Lewis’ view of morality that we are discussing and his views that are informing me about what position that is and what hes getting at, I conclude that a man of his views is not a man of authority on the matter. And if the foundation of the poimt is weak then a quote citing that position only gains authority from tge fact it us a quote and by extention is him professing some piece of wisdom.

If it even is something he said rather than just being attributed to him.

I understand your view on it, but I respectfully disagree that CS Lewis can be seen as an authority on good or bad behaviour.

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Why exactly can he not be seen as an authority on good/bad behavior?

Furthermore that quote was not relevant to good/bad behavior of an individual, but rather of wariness towards a state that begins to exhibit these characteristics (albeit, as expressed/enacted by individuals comprising that states authority).

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