Do problem players have any responsibility to change their own behavior?

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I don’t think I understand what point you are trying to make here

Do you think the word ‘killing’ in that song is literally killing human beings and that we kill people in eve?
Why do you think it Is a ‘pardody of friendship’?
Why am I bending it? What am I bending?

What does this mean:
We dont have infinite lifes in reality, but still some people are behaving like they would have them, like they would play EVE of some sort. Joke is on them.
Well I guess if people think real life is like eve and go and try to hot drop their transit on someone from a muti-story they are in for a shock- I just don’t get what you are trying to say here.

can you be more clear?

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I still want to hear who these “not ganking” bullies are and read about their exploits.

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oh that wont happen, and if it does and they haven’t been reported or otherwise dealt with I am sure they will be once they are outed in this thread.

I don’t know if we will hear from mayhew morgan again either, at least not in this thread, which would be a shame as I am eagerly awaiting a response, he seemed so sure of himself after all.

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You dont understand what parody means?

Its imitation that is also polemical and thought provoking. It is in EVE everywhere. EVE imitates death, makes it different. Is mocking it by making it matter only a little, to the point where the stuff you lose is worth more than your life. And friendship build upon death and killing is glorified in songs.

I am saying that people dont live right, fooling themselves. If you would want to talk about why people want to take others to the grave with them, its because they are fools who believe that it will change something for them. Dead people dont have any satisfaction.

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As for parody of friendship, EVE is full of it, but its not CCP creation, its just people being people. Band of Backstabbers was a thing, just like Band of Brothers.

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What you’re demonstrating here is not that you are not a sociopath, but that you don’t understand what a sociopath is.
Sociopaths are not experts on power.

Why don’t you explain this a little more deeply. Who has been brainwashing me? What methods were/are they using? What is their goal in doing so? What have they been trying to make me believe about power? Why is it inaccurate?

No one is making the powerful man read the forums and if he wants to not look like a fool making an argument, he should get good at logic and stuff. He could use his power to go to college and learn to think clearly and if he doesn’t want to lose his wallet, he should get a waller chain or use Apple Pay. All the tools are there to avoid these unpleasant scenarios. If he doesn’t use them, then it’s all his fault.
#AllTheirFault
#HTFU

If power cannot be universally equalized, then there MUST be differences in the amount and the kinds of power different individuals have and weild.

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We determined years ago that Eve players are the most concentrated assembly of deekheads there is on the planet. No use hashing that chit out one more time again. The issue is settled and laid to rest. The strange thing is, though, they seem to be very cool at Fanfest-type events. And also when somebody somewhere needs some PLEX for Good help, they will donate kazillions of hard-scammed/tear-fraught ISK. I suppose there’s a doctoral thesis for somebody in there somewhere. :trumpet:

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Then what is a law? What is a referendum, a poll, a declaration of independence?

He’s free to log out of the forums at any time. All the tools are available for him to avoid negative interactions or effectively engage in discussion. If the forums are too cold and harsh, maybe he should go play EVE Online.
/s?

“A deal is a deal!”, said the Devil.

Didn’t you watch The Little Mermaid? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi58pN8W3hY

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Oh for the love of God…

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:roll_eyes:

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How people respond to loss has always been indicative of character.

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touch

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I’m not gonna lie. I’ve mostly just been skimming your posts. At first, I thought you were just long-winded, but as I’ve continued to observe, I realized you were a sociopath and were just doing that thing that sociopaths do where they go on taking many words to say nothing at all or to present an intentionally obtuse argument in a deceptive way. Here’s an example of what I mean:

You are literally asking if having the power to lift your arm or walk to the fridge signifies that you have the power to lift your arm or walk to the fridge. Responding to such madness is pointless. You know the answer. Accept it or don’t. That’s not up to me and it doesn’t require any further exchange.

If you go back to the post I made about generalizing a classic description of a bullying scenario, you will find some criteria with which you could make a determination of whether or not a given “competition” was bullying. I don’t presume you agree with these criteria, but you never offered any criteria of your own.

And here you are playing sociopathic word games to make what I’m saying be wrong and what you’re saying be right. THAT’S NOT HOW LANGUAGE WORKS!

The power to take someone else’s money is the power to take someone else’s money. There are many euphemisms for it. There are many special cases with their own terms for it. Some of those special cases are bullying when judged by the criteria defined above. Some are not. You have the power to decide for yourself.

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Reported for repeated defamation and libelous claims of another player as a sociopath.
Lets see if you take responsibility for your behavior, and change it.

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With respect, if every do-gooder is a potential Hitler, it follows that everyone is an “Al Capone”. Ergo, surrendering the world to Al Capones is a useful description of democracy.

I’m not sure what we “should” do, because when I called Jesus on my hotline he didn’t pick up. We are blessed that he answers to you, no?

Look, you may be right. There may, in fact, exist a superior caste of human beings who have divinely inspired knowledge of sacred principles that are intended by some higher power to guide the rest of us along our wild ride of animal sin. Whether or not you are right, you are certainly in good company to make this case. Most of the history of human leadership has been pitching this basic proposition. The masses are misguided. They need the superior caste of wise folks to guide them.

Lenin, Marx, Stalin, Mao, the Inquisition, Hitler, the CIA, Rachael Madow, the guy who wrote Winnie the Pooh… they all seek to assist us with divine secrets of what is best for the rest.

It is certainly trolling on a forum to make the argument, however. Come on, be intellectually honest. Telling everyone else that you know what is best for them is calculated to inspire widespread derision.

You love it. You play for it. This is your pvp.

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nah, I’m just arguing
and I guess you cant follow my argument
the stuff about my arm was just a demonstration of the two different ways you use power
as if they were interchangeable
and that your whole ‘argument’ hinges on that unacknowledged but present distinction.

'You are literally asking if having the power to lift your arm or walk to the fridge signifies that you have the power to lift your arm or walk to the fridge. Responding to such madness is pointless. You know the answer. Accept it or don’t. That’s not up to me and it doesn’t require any further exchange.;

You literally missed my point- I was talking about positive and negative conceptions of power-
everything I wrote was a direct rebuttal of your whole argument- but if you only skimmed it?

‘If you go back to the post I made about generalizing a classic description of a bullying scenario, you will find some criteria with which you could make a determination of whether or not a given “competition” was bullying. I don’t presume you agree with these criteria, but you never offered any criteria of your own.’

Nah for the sake of my argument I took everything you said as correct, and followed through with it in a way you were unwilling to, reductio absurdum basically. Yes it is your generalised description I am working with, and your naïve use of the concept ‘power’, its a kind of category mistake really but it ENABLES you to say non consensual PVP is bullying which was your agenda all along. Without this mistake- your argument collapses.

But of course, if you assume that I am by necessity a sociopath, and refuse to follow or read my posts with the attention I have given yours,

And if you continue to reply to people by only quoting parts of their posts, which you either misunderstand or misrepresent,

And if your only response is to label ME a sociopath lol

The you must be a troll.

However I am confident anyone who DOES read this exchange will realise you have had no response at all to my complete rebuttal of your poorly worded and ill thought out analogy and attendant ‘argument’, and will see this latest post of yours as

complete acquiescence to my point of view.

Unless you are able to read my response and respond to it in toto and provide some kind of refutation or at least counter argument.

But if you think that by saying ‘but who had the POWER to take the money’ and ‘Yes but you cant take from someone with power’ you are making inciteful comments, then yes we can see that Dunning Kruger is a thing.

I’m not so invested in this thread because I disagree with what you are saying (though I do)
but rather
because the intellectually dishonest way you try to advance this agenda with ‘argument’ without being willing to at least listen to the views and arguments of others, and because

your argument is just a badly put together argument, does this community a disservice not least because

this is an open world pvp sandbox and you are calling the community sociopaths.

Thanks you.

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I’m not going to report them though I could,
but I am aware that sociopaths are real people with a disorder and are not all quite what these people seem to think they are,

I did flag one of the posts above (not mayhews) for stigmatising the mentally ill as dangerous recluses,
and for expounding a narrative that is everywhere in our society and which only leads
to the further stigmatisation and isolation of those very people who are most likely to be the
REAL victims of any REAL bullying that does take place.

You see its not just labelling others because they disagree with their behaviour that is the problem, its the fact that these people have to resort
to using real mental illness as a ‘label’ to put down others and gain power over them, and that they use the most simplistic view of mental illness based on pop psychology and fear

That makes me think it is a real form of bullying in a way space ship pvp can never be.

EDIT: I’m an Autist not a sociopath, and I am trying to a have a civil discussion with other adults, please can we keep the trite use of labels to a minimum

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How is it useful?

I don’t postulate that there is “good” based on an age old fairy tale. On what do you base your view that there is no good?

Quote where I made that assertion.

“widespread” ← I don’t think that word means what you think it means. Most people will tell you that they believe in some concept of “good”. And, again, please quote where I told everyone that I think I know what is best for them.

Quite the contrary. If I sought the approval of my fellow monkies, I’d probably be a much different kind of person. If I sought gratification by dominating my fellow man, I think I could do a few notches better than “winning” an internet discussion. If your statements are an indirect way of asking why I am here, you must first consider that it is not for the reasons that you THINK I am here, that maybe those reasons are YOURS, projected onto another.

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I am not assuming. I am classifying. You are more than welcome to dispute and refute that classification . . . if you can.

Either way, maybe give this a read, if you’re interested in some of what informs my opinion of what a sociopath is: Zerohedge

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I’m not going to learn anything I don’t already know about sociopathy from that article, it
astounds me that you think linking that reveals anything other than your ignorance.

I cannot refute your application of that label to me, because that would imply there was something to refute.

Yes you classified me, but in doing so you made an assumption because regardless of any traits I may or may not have
This thread or any other cannot contain enough evidence of them to make your comment anything more than a trite label.

I noticed you liked one of my posts when you felt I was agreeing with you, now I am a sociopath because I have a problem with your argument, as an argument.

Now are you going to address my ARGUMENT or not?

(Because if you don’t I can only assume you can’t, and that your argument itself is as worthless as your ill thought out classifications based on pop psychology and the misapplication of ideas you read on an economics blog).

Is that something you are competent to do?

To clarify- I enjoy debate, I do not enjoy having myself and others labelled as sociopaths for trying to have a reasonable debate with you.

EDIT: If we are going to try and educate each other with internet articles, take a look at this, its actualy relevant and may help you going forward
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html

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