Does 'AFK' mining really exist?

Does ‘AFK’ mining really exist? Or is what people are bent about really bottling?

I’ve been playing this game off and on for years, mostly doing combat focused stuff, but recently I decided to try out an aspect of the game that I never dug into before, mining.

Now I’ve been back a bit over a month, and I’ve been zapping internet space rocks in my procurer most of that time, and I just don’t see the AFK there.

Sure, mining doesn’t take a lot of attention compared to combat, but it does take attention.

You have to adjust your position regularly, change targets every few minutes. Fly out and back to drop the ore somewhere. It’s not a lot to do, but to do it efficiently at all, you have to be there to keep an eye on it. I can only imagine how much more attention it takes to do when multiboxing a fleet of miner ships.

So really it seems that the only way to actually ‘AFK’ mine is to run some kind of bot.

Now I hate bottlers in games, I’m with the angry mob about that. It just seems there is some confusion about what it is people are mad about.

Case of empire there is some confusion. Some are taking that miner not responding in anyway as a bot. Or AFk.

It could be if like me when I do this I just don’t care. Bump…whatever. Back in the day jet can mining seeing can bait traps. Yawn…Its not like 0.0. oh bait, lets take it. I want to see what gets cyno’d in lol. Sometimes I just had to see if I could kill cyno bait.

My chill expedition frigate has been paid off. Many times over. Swing by a belt I don’t run to the hills on the miner. I am making isk cleaning my apartment. On a ship paid off long ago.

out of high sec is where you see this more. That has the bene of scripting to do things on triggers. Like safe up any non-blue in system.

So it really is bots people are getting bent about.

Without running a bot, I just don’t see how mining would work at all without some attention. Sure, all it takes is alt-tabbing away from something else back to peek at the game every 2 minutes or so, when you hear an audio cue that you need to target a new rock or something, but that’s not really AFK.

Basically. I don’t think some have mined since the changes and are living in the past. Back before scarcity yeah you could park a hulk on some fat as hell rocks and chill a good while. Jet can it or swing a hauler/orca by every half an hour or so.

I can take my miner’s Endurance out right after DT. Run a scanner to find the fattest rocks. 1 mining laser II, 1 MLU II II and expedition frigate 4 burn out even veld rocks all too quick.

I feed new targets often.

NOW the only true AFK that can still eb around iirc is orca with mining drones, maybe. That is slow so maybe it can be a more afk experience. Not gonna test that myself lol. I can lose an endurance.

My orca…is old as hell. LIke I am thinking selling it since at current prices its a hell of a profit for a ship I rarely fly anymore. So yeah…I ain’t losing it to AFK mining lol.

There is AFK mining. I did it once or twice, as I had important things to do IRL and left my proc in the field. Of course the gain was nothing.
The issue is when people affirm that AFK mining is valuable way of playing. It’s not.

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AFK mining definitely exists.

The main points of interest is how long a player can mine without input and how little input that player has to do over time while still mining a considerable amount.

AFK mining is easy, I’ve done it before when I left my Procurer out mining to grab a coffee or take a bio break. Sometimes you come back to your ship alive, sometimes you don’t.

When rocks are big, the ore hold is huge and the risk is low, AFK mining is too easy.

Don’t mistake AFK mining for botting. While both of them are enabled by repetitive low effort decently paying PvE, botting is something different and against the rules. AFK mining isn’t against the rules.

The first part is very easy : you fit a praxis, with only one civilian miner ; which means you can mine for hours without any input as it will have like 0.5 m³/s (arbitrary numbers)

Therefore no, the time between inputs is completely useless.

The only interesting part, is how many actions you need per m³. And for this, the answer is basically lock+ activate gun (+move for orca, +jettison or move to orca for a barge) action per rock, whether you are AFK or not.

Fly an orca.
Find yourself some thicc (18000+ m3) rocks.
Target five of them
Send one drone on each rock
Return in 30 minues.
Repeat

Fly a praxis
fit it with civilian miner and cargohold.
find a 10 000 m³ rock that you mine
return in 3H.

This is not very effective. With perfect skills even Miner II outputs 1.8m3/s, while orca with perfect skills and drone mining rigs has 5.0m3/s per Mining Drone II or 5.4m3/s per augmented drone, or the total of 25m3/s regular and 27m3/s blinged. Or roughly 14 times better than a praxis

This is more effective than your fit, at being AFK.
Also more effective at being repeatable, since you actually need a lot of actions to find those 12 000 + rocks. Not even those 18 000 +.

that’s why I use civilian to only get 0.9. Makes it more AFK even. #1337AFK.

Both are interesting. Neither is irrelevant.

But you’re right, it is useless to look only at time between inputs without taking yield into account. A ship without mining laser could ‘mine’ afk forever.

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Nope, the time between actions is completely irrelevant, for the exact reason I gave : it is the inverse of the yield.

If we’re going to nitpick…

It’s not the amount of actions you need per m3, it’s the amount of time between actions per m3 that’s relevant. If I can do a hundred actions upfront to leave my ship untouched for 3 hours, it’s far more AFK than if those hundred actions are evenly spread during those 3 hours.

belt 1
Azure Plagioclase 29 808 10 432 m3 11 km
Azure Plagioclase 23 430 8 200 m3 20 km
Azure Plagioclase 21 291 7 451 m3 3 675 m
Azure Plagioclase 21 257 7 439 m3 14 km
Azure Plagioclase 21 128 7 394 m3 5 861 m
Azure Plagioclase 18 172 6 360 m3 13 km
Concentrated Veldspar 69 402 6 940 m3 16 km
Concentrated Veldspar 68 196 6 819 m3 7 817 m
Concentrated Veldspar 62 710 6 271 m3 15 km
Concentrated Veldspar 52 416 5 241 m3 4 875 m
Concentrated Veldspar 50 724 5 072 m3 8 822 m
Concentrated Veldspar 42 089 4 208 m3 4 373 m
Concentrated Veldspar 42 088 4 208 m3 15 km
Condensed Scordite 35 001 5 250 m3 11 km
Condensed Scordite 31 768 4 765 m3 5 139 m
Condensed Scordite 16 569 2 485 m3 3 771 m
Dense Veldspar 72 574 7 257 m3 20 km
Dense Veldspar 68 587 6 858 m3 14 km
Dense Veldspar 65 740 6 574 m3 16 km
Dense Veldspar 64 998 6 499 m3 18 km
Dense Veldspar 64 233 6 423 m3 9 715 m
Dense Veldspar 62 456 6 245 m3 11 km
Dense Veldspar 62 373 6 237 m3 17 km
Dense Veldspar 58 381 5 838 m3 7 633 m
Dense Veldspar 55 511 5 551 m3 12 km
Dense Veldspar 53 669 5 366 m3 4 599 m
Dense Veldspar 53 584 5 358 m3 13 km
Dense Veldspar 50 758 5 075 m3 12 km
Dense Veldspar 50 111 5 011 m3 6 115 m
Dense Veldspar 48 005 4 800 m3 14 km
Dense Veldspar 22 697 2 269 m3 2 827 m
Dense Veldspar 9 027 902 m3 4 351 m
Dense Veldspar 6 923 692 m3 4 500 m
Massive Scordite 38 515 5 777 m3 8 688 m
Massive Scordite 35 512 5 326 m3 11 km
Massive Scordite 35 146 5 271 m3 11 km
Massive Scordite 32 996 4 949 m3 14 km
Massive Scordite 30 264 4 539 m3 8 112 m
Massive Scordite 30 221 4 533 m3 13 km
Massive Scordite 29 666 4 449 m3 13 km
Massive Scordite 29 589 4 438 m3 20 km
Massive Scordite 28 692 4 303 m3 9 261 m
Massive Scordite 27 956 4 193 m3 8 171 m
Massive Scordite 27 015 4 052 m3 14 km
Massive Scordite 25 562 3 834 m3 8 432 m
Massive Scordite 24 528 3 679 m3 9 793 m
Massive Scordite 20 945 3 141 m3 7 410 m
Massive Scordite 18 713 2 806 m3 9 705 m
Massive Scordite 18 393 2 758 m3 7 175 m
Massive Scordite 16 620 2 493 m3 5 269 m
Plagioclase 27 683 9 689 m3 4 611 m
Rich Plagioclase 43 517 15 230 m3 12 km
Rich Plagioclase 36 512 12 779 m3 7 669 m
Rich Plagioclase 34 840 12 194 m3 4 894 m
Rich Plagioclase 34 685 12 139 m3 13 km
Rich Plagioclase 34 128 11 944 m3 12 km
Rich Plagioclase 34 061 11 921 m3 8 103 m
Rich Plagioclase 33 516 11 730 m3 15 km
Rich Plagioclase 32 525 11 383 m3 5 208 m
Rich Plagioclase 30 836 10 792 m3 11 km
Rich Plagioclase 27 518 9 631 m3 13 km
Rich Plagioclase 26 770 9 369 m3 4 567 m
Rich Plagioclase 21 707 7 597 m3 17 km
Rich Plagioclase 21 133 7 396 m3 7 855 m
Rich Plagioclase 19 565 6 847 m3 17 km
Rich Plagioclase 14 200 4 970 m3 3 602 m
Scordite 35 657 5 348 m3 4 537 m
Scordite 23 393 3 508 m3 4 234 m
Scordite 21 841 3 276 m3 9 528 m
Scordite 18 361 2 754 m3 18 km
Scordite 10 592 1 588 m3 2 579 m
Solid Pyroxeres 11 366 3 409 m3 15 km
Solid Pyroxeres 9 881 2 964 m3 10 km
Solid Pyroxeres 9 301 2 790 m3 15 km
Solid Pyroxeres 8 957 2 687 m3 18 km
Solid Pyroxeres 8 542 2 562 m3 5 331 m
Solid Pyroxeres 8 368 2 510 m3 2 963 m
Solid Pyroxeres 7 870 2 361 m3 18 km
Solid Pyroxeres 7 724 2 317 m3 14 km
Solid Pyroxeres 7 350 2 205 m3 13 km
Solid Pyroxeres 7 324 2 197 m3 14 km
Veldspar 55 664 5 566 m3 15 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 11 005 3 301 m3 7 175 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 10 705 3 211 m3 3 273 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 10 507 3 152 m3 7 136 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 9 450 2 835 m3 4 113 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 9 361 2 808 m3 5 619 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 9 191 2 757 m3 13 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 8 600 2 580 m3 3 534 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 8 134 2 440 m3 9 243 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 7 812 2 343 m3 14 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 7 040 2 112 m3 21 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 6 648 1 994 m3 14 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 6 370 1 911 m3 3 664 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 5 936 1 780 m3 7 634 m
belt2
Azure Plagioclase 22 940 8 028 m3 11 km
Azure Plagioclase 19 905 6 966 m3 14 km
Azure Plagioclase 18 912 6 619 m3 15 km
Azure Plagioclase 13 917 4 870 m3 13 km
Azure Plagioclase 13 624 4 768 m3 12 km
Azure Plagioclase 10 949 3 832 m3 16 km
Concentrated Veldspar 50 617 5 061 m3 22 km
Concentrated Veldspar 43 692 4 369 m3 16 km
Concentrated Veldspar 31 499 3 149 m3 12 km
Condensed Scordite 17 575 2 636 m3 21 km
Condensed Scordite 17 525 2 628 m3 18 km
Condensed Scordite 14 688 2 203 m3 20 km
Dense Veldspar 52 022 5 202 m3 16 km
Dense Veldspar 47 566 4 756 m3 11 km
Dense Veldspar 46 276 4 627 m3 21 km
Dense Veldspar 45 019 4 501 m3 15 km
Dense Veldspar 43 727 4 372 m3 11 km
Dense Veldspar 43 538 4 353 m3 16 km
Dense Veldspar 43 449 4 344 m3 18 km
Dense Veldspar 43 209 4 320 m3 19 km
Dense Veldspar 42 596 4 259 m3 16 km
Dense Veldspar 42 140 4 214 m3 18 km
Dense Veldspar 34 614 3 461 m3 14 km
Dense Veldspar 33 391 3 339 m3 13 km
Massive Scordite 23 652 3 547 m3 20 km
Massive Scordite 21 783 3 267 m3 21 km
Massive Scordite 19 391 2 908 m3 12 km
Massive Scordite 18 055 2 708 m3 13 km
Massive Scordite 16 770 2 515 m3 21 km
Massive Scordite 16 180 2 427 m3 19 km
Massive Scordite 14 648 2 197 m3 14 km
Massive Scordite 14 127 2 119 m3 16 km
Plagioclase 13 424 4 698 m3 12 km
Pyroxeres 5 240 1 572 m3 13 km
Pyroxeres 4 836 1 450 m3 14 km
Pyroxeres 3 489 1 046 m3 12 km
Rich Plagioclase 22 042 7 714 m3 17 km
Rich Plagioclase 21 858 7 650 m3 15 km
Rich Plagioclase 18 384 6 434 m3 19 km
Rich Plagioclase 17 298 6 054 m3 19 km
Rich Plagioclase 16 099 5 634 m3 17 km
Rich Plagioclase 15 545 5 440 m3 16 km
Rich Plagioclase 14 616 5 115 m3 16 km
Rich Plagioclase 14 294 5 002 m3 19 km
Rich Plagioclase 14 170 4 959 m3 13 km
Rich Plagioclase 12 852 4 498 m3 12 km
Scordite 21 715 3 257 m3 18 km
Scordite 21 321 3 198 m3 14 km
Solid Pyroxeres 6 663 1 998 m3 17 km
Solid Pyroxeres 6 575 1 972 m3 12 km
Veldspar 27 092 2 709 m3 18 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 7 384 2 215 m3 19 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 6 449 1 934 m3 17 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 5 433 1 629 m3 21 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 5 186 1 555 m3 16 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 3 839 1 151 m3 20 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 3 588 1 076 m3 20 km
belt 3
Azure Plagioclase 32 375 11 331 m3 14 km
Azure Plagioclase 30 924 10 823 m3 16 km
Azure Plagioclase 27 615 9 665 m3 7 161 m
Azure Plagioclase 17 223 6 028 m3 13 km
Concentrated Veldspar 74 371 7 437 m3 22 km
Concentrated Veldspar 70 648 7 064 m3 17 km
Concentrated Veldspar 59 465 5 946 m3 15 km
Concentrated Veldspar 57 540 5 754 m3 11 km
Concentrated Veldspar 56 833 5 683 m3 20 km
Concentrated Veldspar 54 584 5 458 m3 15 km
Concentrated Veldspar 44 545 4 454 m3 17 km
Concentrated Veldspar 43 153 4 315 m3 14 km
Concentrated Veldspar 25 827 2 582 m3 7 856 m
Condensed Scordite 36 056 5 408 m3 15 km
Condensed Scordite 32 389 4 858 m3 7 945 m
Condensed Scordite 25 613 3 841 m3 9 537 m
Condensed Scordite 25 484 3 822 m3 18 km
Condensed Scordite 24 897 3 734 m3 16 km
Condensed Scordite 23 993 3 598 m3 17 km
Condensed Scordite 21 309 3 196 m3 11 km
Dense Veldspar 76 016 7 601 m3 6 894 m
Dense Veldspar 67 708 6 770 m3 7 182 m
Dense Veldspar 55 370 5 537 m3 21 km
Dense Veldspar 52 507 5 250 m3 13 km
Dense Veldspar 51 689 5 168 m3 7 342 m
Dense Veldspar 48 360 4 836 m3 5 989 m
Dense Veldspar 47 378 4 737 m3 8 171 m
Massive Scordite 41 788 6 268 m3 6 986 m
Massive Scordite 38 349 5 752 m3 14 km
Massive Scordite 36 753 5 512 m3 12 km
Massive Scordite 36 583 5 487 m3 16 km
Massive Scordite 31 739 4 760 m3 13 km
Massive Scordite 30 604 4 590 m3 8 220 m
Massive Scordite 24 031 3 604 m3 6 490 m
Massive Scordite 19 962 2 994 m3 20 km
Massive Scordite 19 483 2 922 m3 15 km
Massive Scordite 18 796 2 819 m3 13 km
Massive Scordite 18 624 2 793 m3 21 km
Massive Scordite 15 132 2 269 m3 16 km
Massive Scordite 13 118 1 967 m3 17 km
Plagioclase 29 433 10 301 m3 7 302 m
Plagioclase 27 650 9 677 m3 13 km
Plagioclase 24 636 8 622 m3 9 464 m
Pyroxeres 10 367 3 110 m3 8 258 m
Pyroxeres 8 645 2 593 m3 11 km
Pyroxeres 7 126 2 137 m3 19 km
Rich Plagioclase 38 630 13 520 m3 8 036 m
Rich Plagioclase 37 170 13 009 m3 13 km
Rich Plagioclase 30 763 10 767 m3 8 288 m
Rich Plagioclase 30 504 10 676 m3 16 km
Rich Plagioclase 30 334 10 616 m3 15 km
Rich Plagioclase 30 185 10 564 m3 14 km
Rich Plagioclase 29 052 10 168 m3 7 422 m
Rich Plagioclase 27 696 9 693 m3 16 km
Rich Plagioclase 19 324 6 763 m3 16 km
Rich Plagioclase 16 034 5 611 m3 9 217 m
Scordite 33 399 5 009 m3 12 km
Scordite 27 515 4 127 m3 13 km
Scordite 22 225 3 333 m3 10 km
Solid Pyroxeres 10 510 3 153 m3 15 km
Solid Pyroxeres 7 070 2 121 m3 10 km
Solid Pyroxeres 6 930 2 079 m3 13 km
Veldspar 62 080 6 208 m3 7 917 m
Veldspar 61 597 6 159 m3 12 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 10 626 3 187 m3 8 279 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 10 476 3 142 m3 14 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 10 458 3 137 m3 19 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 10 449 3 134 m3 19 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 10 133 3 039 m3 13 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 9 667 2 900 m3 7 860 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 9 548 2 864 m3 8 301 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 8 953 2 685 m3 9 300 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 8 943 2 682 m3 16 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 8 925 2 677 m3 20 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 8 547 2 564 m3 8 567 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 8 383 2 514 m3 8 626 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 8 376 2 512 m3 19 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 7 843 2 352 m3 12 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 7 607 2 282 m3 17 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 7 462 2 238 m3 7 058 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 7 383 2 214 m3 15 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 7 304 2 191 m3 7 515 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 6 884 2 065 m3 9 473 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 6 812 2 043 m3 16 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 6 475 1 942 m3 8 049 m
Viscous Pyroxeres 5 789 1 736 m3 16 km
Viscous Pyroxeres 5 614 1 684 m3 8 150 m

highest is 15 000. Not saying there i no 18 000 ; but finding them is definitely not “AFK”.

I am not.
The terms you eploy are bad.

Nope.

but you can’t. So it’s irreelvant.
The relevant part, is that APM to mesure AFK is stupidity.

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You’re pretty much always nitpicking.

personal attack.

This was not nitpick ; your point is wrong.
Your affirmation that time between actions is important is logically the same as the affirmation that yield is important, because time between actions is linear with the inverse of the yield.
Therefore, you are saying that the only way to make ships less AFK is to increase their yield. Not that I do mind/care as this will make everything cheaper and bots less interestings.

Wow, this convo dove deep into the stupid.

I don’t think the fat rock some of y’all are talking about even exist anymore, almost nothing lasts past a handful of strip miner cycles.

Having a mining ship in space with nothing targeted isn’t afk mining, it’s just being afk.

Again, you’re drawing wrong conclusions.

There are many ways to make ships less afk. Increasing yield is one, but reducing ore hold is another. Reducing asteroid size a third, increased NPC risks a fourth, or completely overhauling how mining works to a playstyle that gives more yield to attentive players and less yield to players with less inputs another one.