I’ve managed to scout a couple hives in my Buzzard but you have to time your wormhole activations carefully as any Drifter patrols present will instalock and vaporize your ship from 100+ kilometers away the second you register on their sensors.
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We have a solution to that problem, Ms Alleile. Drifters never chase us from their space and we get to linger as long as we like.
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I have no doubt it’s much easier to get in and out with a heavily armed escort, I was just following up on pilot Jenneth’s post mentioning the possibility of getting into a hive solo.
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I’m not taking orders from you, but surprisingly, I have no intent to endanger anyone but myself if I venture to their space.
It is possible I’m confusing you with someone else, if so, apologies. I do remember being told by someone to take part in a “Hive Op” previously, which sounded like a monumentally stupid idea, not least because going into Hive systems at the moment pretty much sounds like going in to someones house uninvited to beat them up.
In the name of scientific curiosity, care to share this solution?
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Demonstrably not true. 
Seriously, though, Ali, antagonizing people doesn’t win them over to your cause. As you’ve said: not winning this war. Generally, that means making enemies out of potential allies is not the recommended course of action. Nothing SERAPH or ARC has done in the last year is particularly sensitive data, or even new, really… except for the corrupted data packets ARC bought (which was fine). So, you know, why do the ‘you haven’t paid your dues yet, kid’ routine?
You sound like one of those dumbasses in comms who insists that if people didn’t sit through the mess that was pre-TCU Tower-sov, they can’t complain about what a boring pain in the butt entosising is.
If someone wants to find a way to establish peaceful communications, great… I don’t think they’ll have any success, but sure, let ‘em try. What’s the worst they can do? Get captured, be prevented from clone-jumping like Tukoss was, and become a meat-puppet for the Drifters’ false-flag operations? No skin off your nose!
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To be frank, I may’ve invited you on an operation. ARC’s fleets are public, after all. The nuance may’ve been in other areas; for instance, offering to scout you in so that, at a time of your choosing, you can then engage in whatever effort you’d please; wanting you to see exactly what the Drifters are toying with which makes us so worried; witnessing lossless (for us, anyway) doctrines. There are options that differ notably from, “Let’s make peace by shooting them.”
That said, to be frank, I’m not overly concerned about the optics of Hive raids. We do them to maintain active reconnaissance of the hives, to ensure that when time comes we’re ready to react to the next move by the Vigilant Tyrannos, and to continue expanding our collection of Drifter salvage in the hope that some meaningful breakthrough will result and, ideally, allow greater ability to contain the threat. The Drifters, after all, have struck civilian targets in all of the various empires, and daily operate in all classes of space without regard to the sovereignty of the empires. Returning the favor is simply maintaining status quo.
ARC’s position has been, and remains, that we are open to any development of the on-going Drifter crisis. While we see no likely path that results in detente and peace, in part due to the significant burdens of prior action that both Drifters and Capsuleers bear, if there was a means to meaningfully end the conflict with no further loss of life, we’d be open to it.
There are, of course, significant barriers to this.
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Teinhyr “In the name of scientific curiosity, care to share this solution?”
Take about five or six friends. Kill every Drifter you see.
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Oh, Arra, you should know better. He’s not complaining; that I could understand. Even I complain that we’re not exterminating the Drifters fast enough.
He’s saying that the fleet doctrine should be Cerberus with Rokh logistics, and Curse-class cruisers for support.
He’s saying: “Remember when we were at B-R5,” when he wasn’t even a capsuleer yet.
Sweetie, I love you, but you can do better than this.
Also, let’s leave our bedroom antics out of this thread.
He might have a point, you can’t stop Rokhs after all.
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No surprise that I endorse the public position of my employers, but for what it’s worth this is precisely my view. The Drifters have been classified as an exigent threat and currently the best way to impact their operations that I am aware of, is to travel into their hives and kick things over.
If a better option - such as diplomacy or kicking them somewhere even more sensitive - becomes available then I will re-evaluate my options. Up until that time it is my wish to be depicted in a Drifter mural somewhere as a titanic, Drifter baby-eating, collossus of a Civire. I
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Randomly found it. It’s J010811. Over fifty of the things patrolling the system now, as I understand it.
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Hm. I suppose it’d make sense for meritorious conduct to result in an addition to the Haria statue in the corporate hangars. Perhaps a bit of Caldari realism before pilots go out.
Hmmm.
I’ll have to talk to facilities about this.
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Makoto, I have already placed a picture of her for pilots to touch over the exit of our briefing room in Safizon.
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In reply to @Diana_Kim.
While compiling the archive in the other thread, my assistants found an interesting reference, a quote from you not too long ago.
The factor of Vigilant Tyrannos in the cluster politics have been already demonstrated by themselves.
For those, who have missed the recent events that have unfolded, they have attacked the Amarr Empire and assassinated the head of the Empire. Their behavior was shown to be hostile, they have resorted to the violence and direct attack instead of attempts to communicate or pursuit their goal by different means, they are currently enemies of the Amarr Empire, Caldari State and all the sentient and civilized life in our cluster.Any attempts at communication with them with current status quo should be considered as collaboration.
All enemies of Caldari State and Amarr Empire SHALL DIE.
Since this quote, the Vigilant Tyrannos have struck research facilities through-out known space, have engaged capital ship assets from all empires including the State, and have recently been discovered to have engaged in combat in, again, all regions of known space. All the while, the Drifters continue to attack anyone approaching Jove installations, no matter the sovereignty, which begs the question whether that’s piracy, a raid, or simple disavowal of the sovereignty of the appropriate empire.
This is to say, you seem remarkably willing to allow the Drifters free rein in State territory not even a year after they engaged the Caldari Navy.
To be fair, darling Kim, it amuses me to no end that you forgave the Drifters their violence against the State after less than a year, even though you so clearly haven’t gotten over a personal insult over three years later.
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Well, you don’t see Drifters going around slandering Caldari officers all over the place, do you?
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Interestingly, Kim’s threatened to sue me for slander if she could find a suitable court.
I checked with counsel on a potential defenses in case she attempted such a thing, and we were wagering on whether we could get it dismissed with prejudice before the hour was out.
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It amuses me how you manage to make a claim that I didn’t claim and publically refute it. Are you aching to “win” argument so badly for such pathetic tactic, Priano?
Well, congratulations, you have WON the argument. But not against me, against yourself. You can keep talking to yourself, just keep me out of that equation, because it never was my idea that “Drifters aren’t the enemy.” That was your own hypothesis, that you were refuting and it has nothing to do with me.
And that’s just pathetic slander.
But what else could one expect from Priano?
Anyway, I do fly, I do protect the State, and I perfectly see who is attacking us and who doesn’t.
If I see drifter attacking us, I will shoot them like the rest. It’s just they don’t.
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Alright. So. You say that I put words in your mouth, and you haven’t forgiven the Drifters. So, the Drifters are the enemies of the State, then? And SHALL DIE?
Or are they not enemies of the State?
Or enemies of the State SHALL DIE WHEN THE PEOPLE SHOOTING THEM ARE ONES YOU LIKE, BUT NOT WHEN YOU DISLIKE THE PERSON SHOOTING THEM?
Would you cast similar aspersions on the operations of SERAPH? Or should SERAPH also stop their Hive raids?
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Legit, though, whenever Kim sidesteps your point, just keep nagging on it until she either answers or goes silent. Not that I mean to tell you your business, but from an outside perspective, it’s just realllllyyyy entertaining.
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Why are you squealing, loud creature? I am not preventing you from digging ants with nose.
I did say several times already, that they are enemies of the State and I would kill them. You even yourself linked the part where I said that. I even said I’ll shoot them.
But excuse me, instead of chasing the ghost threat and commit your little genocide on the local scale against other form of life, who has already retreated from invaded territories, I’ll just keep fighting the real threat, that unlike these drifters kills thousands of State citizens daily.
Also, the discussion shall belong to the different topic, as it was about the mentioning of drifter “crisis”, which has been already resolved.
D. Kim, Strike Commander,
State Protectorate, CMC,
Caldari State