Mate, it’s just a couple of people discussing ■■■■ in the forum. If you are offended by it, don’t read it.
Sorry you have become emotionally upset enough that you felt the need to tell us how bad we are, but I hope you feel better about yourself now.
Evidence please. And bug report it if you actually have any real evidence. Not just hearsay from salty people.
Also since they don’t have Doomsdays they can’t one shot capitals. They can’t even one shot battleships with any significant tank.
Oh. And as said multiple times, highsec has dealt with similar NPC behaviour from diamond rats being wide spread for months and months.
Rant inbound. That’s the warning!
Now, this is interesting, and a perspective:
In Tanoo, a 0.9 security system in Derelik, yesterday there were multiple Blood Raider Dreadnaughts and their support fleet attacking a Fortizar. It was successfully defended. And the defenders couldn’t drop a super-capital defence fleet on them - it’s hi-sec. No Capitals (!)
I live in Empire space. I like it there.
I trip into wormholes, lo-sec and null, but I live in Amarr. I like it there. I’ll joing fleets attacking others, I’ll mine, I’ll joing mission running fleets. I enjoy living in New Eden.
Attacking FoBs and dealing with Blood Raider mining fleets and their defence fleets just became something you just learnt to work with and adapt to in hi-sec, especially if you had bad standings to them. OK Blooders dropping Dreadnaughts on hi-sec citadels is new, but there you go.
We worked out how to deal with Drifters in Empire space a couple of years back. Their battleships are nasty, they’ve a doomsday type weapon of some sort they use after they’ve taken a certain amount of damage. But you can kill them
The debate of “is high-sec more dangerous than low or null sec” is a little misguided - it depends on the context and the activity you are undertaking. An absolute comparison is wrong. And it’s tied to your personal risk appetite.
Mining or ratting (while paying attention) as part of a null-sec group deep in controlled territory with all the intelligence and warning of approaching threats big alliances have is relatively safe. Heck, the big alliances advertise how safe it is and that by joining them you can make a huge amount of risk free ISK to Plex your account (then people complain about price inflation!)
Leading a small fleet against a FoB in hi-sec to clear a local threat is a different level of risk. It may feel like PvE, but there’s always the risk of a fleet optimised for dealing with Blood Raiders (my particular bête-noire) being hit by gankers exploiting your weaknesses. Or others grabbing the loot (your main reward). Or someone killing the FoB before you get there.
If I’m going to put a group together to demolish the local irritating FoB in hi-sec I’m not going to call it risk free.
Eve isn’t a “PvP” game or a “PvE” game.
It is a bunch of people fighting and living, and cooperating, in a dynamic environment. One moment you are dealing with other players, another you are dealing with rats - saying it’s one or the other is like trying to describe life in the real world in such a binary term. And like the real world, sometimes things change.
In some places I may or may not agree with the risk/reward balance - but that’s my personal opinion.
About the Drifters attacking null-sec, and Triglavians in hi-sec (that makes lo-sec sound like a good place!)
Hey, a volcano went off on your cosy little island.
Either rant at the gods or get on and work out how to live with it. Because if you are an Eve player worth your salt, then you can learn to live with it without whining to god to “take the volcano away and give me back my cosy little shack or I’ll scream and scream I make myself sick”.
And those that do adapt rather than whine will be the survivors. And the island will be theirs.
And New Eden will roll on.
Rant over.
Normal irrational debate may now continue.
Or Blood sacrifices.
Oh yes… 
That’s what I was saying the whole time. And that he purposely does not want to understand.
So since he gets metrics out of his deepest darkness, I do the same. However my metrics are correct, while his are always changing.
It depends solely on the definition of “dangerous”, so on whatever you ate the morning. It’s just like talking colours, everybody has his favorite (besides blind people) and just because you don’t like pink does not mean you are a piece of poop and I am superior to you.
What? I agree that the whole thing is complete rubbish, back to the original context of a claim that highsec is way more dangerous than nullsec.
Both are way too safe.
All the other stuff about 42% safer, 5 times safer, etc. is all rubbish in itself. Those are not values that any data can show. The only thing it’s possible to do is look at individual regions of space and see what’s happening, and in most of the game (high, low, null and jspace) it’s generally safe, and especially safe in key PVE systems. It’s pretty safe most of the time right across the game except for a few systems. Anyone that avoids those systems has near 0 risk of loss.
What have I changed exactly?
In every case, it’s the raw data. No made up figures on top of it that have no meaning.
Hi Aaron, good to see you here and I fully agree with your post. I think CCP intends on having Drifters, Trigs and Rogue Drones eventually become recognized Factions within New Eden, possible with Agents.
Wow, that was a straight forward to the point great read.
Definitely well written.
+100 and to the front of the class with you.
This is just CCP way of saying " Yo we need more money! let’s have the most OP BS battleship AI in the game target players and their assets and blow them up by skipping timers and damage caps so these pod pilots will buy more Plex / Injectors to replace losses and skill up to fight an enemy they can never ever defeat!"
That’s why you should read my post completely instead of taking out random words.
You literally made me write the opposite of what I actually wrote.
I read from people that “NS was more risky than HS” without any proof of this. So I wanted to know what we could use as a metric, and this resulted that I don’t have enough data for that ; and the closest data that we have (to what we need) actually says the opposite (but it’s not enough so maybe it’s the opposite of the opposite that is true !).
Since you affirmed that me “making the data” meant to be cheating I considered that as a vested interest in affirming that HS is safer than NS. Plus your other arguments that all imply I have no idea what I am talking about are just … insulting ? So I just assumed you were one of those retard who just claim things even when data are in total opposition with what they say. And just kept on using the useless metrics because you did not want to read what I wrote, so why bother ?
Evidence required. Otherwise you are just dropping tinfoil.
Let’s have a video of drifters reinforcing a structure from 100% health in 2 minutes.
Let’s have a video of then using DDs as a fleet.
Because right now you are outright calling CCP liars, and with no evidence at all, that just makes you a whiner.
But thats a killmail of a dead dread.
Players won.
Whats the problem ?
I guess a dread in HS ?
Meh.
Its not all that if it got splashed.
About time I say.
No, you responded to me in relation to a claim I addressed that:
Specifically where I thought it was just overall a sad state that at the time I pulled the data, only 420 systems in the game had any ship or capsule loss in the previous hour.
That is just a sad state of the game.
The rest of your crusade, I don’t have a clue why you were on it, because no one in the context of the original discussion I was in was claiming nullsec is way more risky than highsec.
The whole game is way too safe.
But hey, the OP and DMC want to either take these new features back out of the game or furthery limit where they can occur, because “think of the children”.
We need more of this stuff, not less (althouth more encouragement for pvp would be preferred in my view).
pve players wont stay either, cant rat and mine with drifters around
A crusade ? What for ? You know that’s exactly the use of those terms that are just aggressive and useless that makes me not give a ■■■■ about your arguments ?
Why are both of those posts hidden (mine and Anderson’s)?
This current flagging system is ridiculous. Thought police can just decide what’s ok to post and what isn’t.
Thank you, that’s fine,
Feel free to move on and not go off on a different context with a heap of made up figures.
