we did in the beginning talking about how so long as you have one lock the falcon is dead or off grid if its too much of a nascence but most ships don’t even need that many. if its not chance based and just always lowers locked targets and locked targets can reach 0 you really have made the instant i win ship. if its chance based and only removes a few targets its useless.
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Lol you have been a busy boy getting those jams in on your kills lately
IN A TWO MAN GANG WITH JUST A LOKI AND AN ARAZU YOU ARE A NIGHTMARE
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Who is the arazu pilot in your corp?
yeah those ratters and the itty never saw it coming 
only reason we even had a falcon was because the guy couldn’t fly a loki
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I care about realities not hypotheticals. Who is the arazu pilot in your corp?
no idea i just joined this corp recently on this toon because they asked me if i could help them out get off the ground in WH space. if you look this alt posts to the forums and moves around newbie corps
Caleb, I think u should start pvping in eve and get some experience and then overthink your opinion. Until then its useless to discuss because u have just faced a few fights with ecm, damps, etc. Nobody says that ecm is not horrible, like all electronic “weapons” but it always depends on the situation and there is always a counter.
You should get in the position that most of your pvp oponents are in, than you will win…its not about ecm mechanics, it’s about how to use the given possibilities of pvp in eve.
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You have literally no idea what you are talking about and looking at my lossmails alone doesn’t tell a complete picture.
of cause , maybe I was just lucky the last years.
Maybe you should use an alt Char to give you the answer you want to read.
No I want a single person to show me how % based jams is a better system than the one I proposed.
i… i did and so did others
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No, you didn’t. Since post 15 this thread has been a massive tangent about how damps are stronger than ECM and that if I had drones deployed I wouldn’t die to ECM boats (which is just completely brain dead as a statement). Then people wanted to talk about auto missiles which only work in 3 weapons systems (technically 4 if you want to include RLML). Then it became about sebos (which really aren’t a valid option on most ships especially the ones with less than 4 mids). Then the final point came up about using ECM vs an ECM boat which is fine in theory except you need to be able to target lock in order to jam someone. Oh the irony.
There was a couple of people who said that it would be OP because the % system would be removed to which I laugh and say to you good sir exactly what I said above which is that it’s just the same as damps then as you’ve spent 30 odd posts trying to convince me of how damps work when I already knew.
Not a single person has made a salient point that having locks reduced over all was a worse system despite other factors such as the lack of effectiveness unless you dogpile jams on the same target or have a giant wing of ecm trying to knock locks away, similarly hilarious how you could move to falloff or any other technique you care to name to mitigate including fitting mods that give more locks, training target acquisition and advanced target acquisition which would give you… +10 potential locks? Etc etc etc etc
No you nor anyone else hasn’t been able to state a compelling case why rolling a slot machine and getting taken out of the fight based purely on chance is a better system than one which requires more modules and has more viable counters based on mods/rigs/skills alone.
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1 this is not the only slot machine and its not even the one that leads to the most permanent removal from a fight
2we have explained how ECM has several counters both on and off grid
3 we have shown not only is ecm not this oober powerful weapon system that has some how been kept secret from the majority of eve
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Very few people in the game works towards hardening their sensors, even irresponsible FCs opt for doctrines that ignore sensor resilience for more tank and Damage, these kind of fits deserve to be punished by ECM. Even a single signal amp provides reasonable protection.
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We already been over this, are you illiterate? One lock for a single ship or multiple ships doesn’t mean they can hit the falcon or force it off field. Holy jesus man I’m not gonna respond to you any more I’m sick of playing fetch with your train of thought
yes it does… and that wasn’t even the main point. that one came with the added mention of if its even that troublesome as most ships can get by just fine with only one locked target
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It depends. The case still stands for why ECM is the only ewar that shuts you off. Neuts take a while to work, but have a similar effect but in different ways and for different reasons. It also depends on what you’re trying to ECM, logi? Maybe. Or maybe you ECM the hard tackle so that something can run off and catch the logi and kill it instead. Damps can’t do that, damps can’t just shut off the tackle and expose the back lines by virtue of freeing up combat ships to do other things. No matter how close an ECM’d boat gets to the jammer or its target it can not influence the fight with tank or dps since it can’t pressure the enemy to address it.
… they can if that tackle is past 3km from what ever they are tackling
and nuets can. no nuets don’t take all that long you ever hit a frig with a heavy nuet?
or ■■■■ since fitting counters isn’t a viable option for you, getting rapier webbed with an AB. i mean i can’t be expected to fit an MWD on all my fits can i?
scan res damped to be given over 90s lock time in fights that don’t even last 60s
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