No the better solution is to just hunt all ECM ship owners and make their days miserable by camping there ratting systems with bombers or something until they promise to stop using them.
why? it’s better they keep using ECM rather than stop and realis how much better the rest of the E-war is
Becuase ECM makes eve boring look at this match at 3:08:09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gheaIw4IoVg
it looked like any one sided at fight what is your point? there are countless examples of that when one side manages to chose correctly or get lucky and hard counter their opponent. in this case they had 6 ECM ships spread with minmatar and Amar jams expecting that sort of comp. There are also examples in the AT where it came down to the wire because of ECM.
the other night thanks to a flacon myself and two other lokis were able to break out of a gate camp when we got ourselves cornered into a dead end system. 4 against nearly 20 and we managed to force them to retreat only made possible because the falcon manage to get a cycle off on their logistics. that is not boring.
And if that group of 20 had their own falcon? you guys would be making coffee while your ships exploded.
… they had two black birds but guess what? we are used to running into ECM and run remote Sebos in that gang. only one they managed to get a cycle off on was ironically our falcon.
however if they had damps even with our sebos the falcon would not have had the range to lock their scythe.
Except that’s a gank, not what people would call “regular pvp”
judging by the fit he would have lost that in any decent fight anyway.
hell pretty sure it’s even a suicide gank not even a war kill had he been fit right he would have lived
for the last time people the widow is not just a big falcon
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More like a big rook.
-.- not even close
I was kidding
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Yes I’ll just fit a sebo to every combat ship I fly in the off chance a jammer is present
HOW ABOUT NO
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then run the risk of being jammed if you do? this is not an uncommon thing in eve you can’t fit for every situation so you have to be smart about the fights you take with the fits you have.
ECM drones have far more impact on the field than the other ewar drones. When they do fire, their impact is the same as a rook/falcon/griffin. Its an all or nothing system. People use ecm300’s because of that reason, they would NEVER take damping/neuting/webbing drones because their impact is so weak. If the question of what ewar drone to take comes up: ecm300 wins every time.
Did I ever tell you about the time I tanked a group of 4 lokis on a gate in my rook because I just ecm’d them all? Kept one pointed while the squads logi kept losing reps thanks to gate guns shooting everything. But alas rook too slow and ironically keeping a ship jammed means it loses engagement timer so eventually the whole group jumped the gate back out (sans logi who warped off). It is such a terrible and overpowered ewar system that ONE SHIP can prevent an entire 5man t3c squad from successfully ganking a single ewar. Every time you talk about this and that I laugh because you talk like you’re the only guy in the room that knows his ■■■■ as if this game isn’t 15 years old and I’ve been here for 9 of them.
-.- and i have stated several times that EC-300s are broken. also the other drones are not used because their E-war is some how weaker its because their e-war does not work with how the drones are currently set up.
only way you managed to lock down 4 lokies that long is if you were some how getting extremely lucky and for every instance like that there is one where no jams land at all. there is nothing wrong with ecm being all or nothing because there is still piloting involved to manipulate that RNG on the ecm pilots side and there are plenty of ways to deal with ecm you simply refuse to use any of them. hell once i showed you the numbers as to how low damps could get a BB lock range you just decided that was irrelevant and went back to your tirade on ecm. and i don’t talk like i’m the only one who knows everything. i only talk like i know ECM isn’t this super OP i win button that you think it is. i mean its really stange that ECM is so OP yet you don’t actually see it all that often in fleets particularly as fleets get larger.
i mean gosh a rook can just perma jam 4 lokis why aren’t we all just flying full rook fleets.
does it feels bad when that mean mean falcon jams you? yeah HTFU you sound like a HS miner whining about how there is nothing they can do against a catalyst
Don’t forget logi drones they are actually amazing for small gangs, o e-war drone… Tbh I’v had some mild success with a few small webber drones on kitey ship before does decently if your only a bit slower.
Your way to salty, and as much as I love reaping salty tears you need to realize that ecm isn’t op as you think. Can it change the flow of any fight sure, but it’s impact is only truly noticable as fleets get smaller.
You want to know why ECM is balanced, because it’s chanced based. It’s not like damp, disrupters, webs, scrams, or points that land 100%. Always go off, #guaranteed.
A keres can shutdown frigates, dessies, and even cruisers.
A curse can kill a mach using the disrupters and neuts/nos all while laughing all while the drones chew through it.
Also they tend to have better tank cuz caldari is shield and ewar takes mids
Just food for thought.
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Mate. now you’re pissing me off. I said: that the damp ship devotes more ewar mods to the task, you in your own words said ECM is a game of minimising the number of modules used on a single ship. If a single jam fires you don’t NEED another and THAT is WHERE the ECM is overpowered, because it’s chance based and that chance can exceed 100% if you shoot the right target. A boosted rook/widow/falcon can hit 18 points of jam which is enough to 100% jam a disturbingly large amount of ships if you care to run the numbers. A permajammed ship can’t respond to ANY threat, you wanna talk horse about drones? You jam the ship then kill the drones GAME OVER
but at the same time 6 could fail that is where it is balanced
where as with a proper fleet comp an arazue only needs one damp per target 100% of the time
another thing i said needed to be removed
, it can burn range and get into falloff or out of range entirely also you know friends because its not like you see many 1v1 fights against ecm ships and yes if the mean people have more ships than you you’re at a disadvantage no matter what
because damps scale better with larger fleets, this is well established so many years ago. But most fleets in this game aren’t 100 people or larger, most groups can’t even muster 20 on a weeknight. If you’re a roaming gang, the worst enemy you can possibly face is a falcon because he’s sitting 50km off any you can’t respond to him while his friends bubble you and tear you apart.
You are willing to ignore something as fundamental as the idea that not all fights are nullsec blobs?
Yes, right, forced 50% winrate works so well in other places it is used (it doesn’t and those games hemorrhage players at huge rates) because rolling a dice to win is so great. If I had a 96% chance to jam and they all failed that’s incredibly bad luck but also bad game design.