That’s not who, that’s a possible why.
That’s semantics. The point is - CONCORD does not need any financial donations from the empires to function. Nor does it have to answer to them in any way that is not in the treaties. And EDENCOMs existence circumvents even this loose excuse of a control empires have over CONCORD
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CONCORD continues to exist by the consent of its members, that those members allow CONCORD to levy taxes within their territory is a financial contribution. CONCORD draws personnel from the Empires, as evidenced by this discussion personnel who have loyalty to those Empires.
CONCORD has agendas which originate in its bureaucracy that much is certain, but as an organisation it exists to serve the collective interests of those who provide it with material, manpower and mandate.
They will continue to do accept that they have to serve those interests, because without the support of the constituent nations, they simply could not last.
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The taxes CONCORD gets within empire borders are negligible in comparison with what they get from nullsec, forcing capsuleers to pay for their territory recognition.
Funneling lower personnel loyalties in the direction wanted by said bureaucracy is just a matter of speech writing skills.
CONCORD will continue to serve the interests of empires only until it all it’s figures placed on the board the way they want and invasion sped this placement up.
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Jita, Perimeter, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens… I think the Secure Commerce Commission might disagree with your assessment of the relative profitability of CONCORD’s revenue streams.
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That’s a good point actually, you beat me to it.
Still it means nothing - those taxes are from capsuleers and as such not really from the empires themselves
CONCORD are allowed by the Empires to tax interplanetary trade. At any time of their choosing, they could choose to withdraw that privilege. To levy their own higher tax. CONCORD tax as they do everything else, by the consent of the nations contributing to them.
Furthermore, independent interplanetary trade is a drop in the ocean compared to the economies of the empires.
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That’s the Territorial Claim Unit. And it’s very much not where the money is.
The money in the IHUBs. That’s what pays for the improved scanning and detection of pirate activity and mineable ore. The TCU? It’s a flag on a map. It means nothing, and provides nothing. It doesn’t even impact the Sovereignty Index.
Trade value in the Forge (Jita) last month was 556,480B. That’s 556T ISK. 5% of that (the SCC tax) is 27.8T.
Navigational IHUB upgrades run the following (after buying them):
Advanced Logistics Network (Needed for Jump Gates): 20,000,000 ISK
Cynosural Navigation (Needed for Cyno Beacons): 5,000,000 ISK
Cynosural Suppression (Needed for Cyno Jammers): 30,000,000 ISK
That’s per day. So, per 30d:
600,000,000
150,000,000
900,000,000
So, a total of 1.651B/month for 1 system.
I promise, there are plenty of those systems. Jita’s taxes do not make up the majority of CONCORD’s funding.
For clarity, though: Jita’s taxes also do not make even 0.1% of any of the empires’ economic activity. We have literally no idea what the Empires individually contribute to CONCORD’s coffers, or just what that actually buys. Nobody should take my estimates as any kind of assessment of what CONCORD’s total budget is, or where that funding comes from.
And really, anyone who thinks that our economies dwarf the economies of empires with tens of thousands of titans is kinda… daft. The Republic Fleet could, if they massed their forces, smash the entirety of nullsec’s navies, combined… without much effort, really.
1. Originally added it up to 1.75 because tired me is bad at math. Sh’up.
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There are 3524 known Null Security systems from my best quick research, of which we do not have access to 230. Not all of those systems are claimable, but let’s assume they are. 1.65 x 3294 = 5,435.1b or 5.435T. So, yes, Jita sales tax really do have a bigger share.
But that is beside the point. EDENCOM isn’t ‘favouring’ any of the Empires, at least in terms of direct field assistance, because EDENCOM isn’t deploying any vessels. The native Navies of the big four are. Technology, intelligence and financial swaps and support might and likely are occurring, but these things still take time to trickle down to a front line. This is especially true for technological developments, or weapons system changes.
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The problem is however, that EDENCOM isn’t fully transparent about exactly what it’s doing to support the various navies. The lack of transparency combined with a loyalist of the empire putting up the strongest defenses at the head of the organization is troublesome. Even if there is indeed no bias, there is clearly the appearance of bias. The appearance of bias in a program that requires investment by each of the empires undermines itself and hurts its own ability to fight the Triglavians.
EDENCOM needs to be transparent in how it operates and the discrepancy in defensive capabilities of the various navies needs to be addressed. The gap needs to be closed. By failing to do so, EDENCOM will never fully be trusted by each of the empires nor many loyalist capsuleers. Without that support, the Triglavians win, full stop.
At the moment, there’s clearly the appearance of bias. When there’s the appearance of bias, the most likely and reasonable explanation is bias. EDENCOM needs to fix this now.
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I will begin with the non-issue, placing someone with such strong ties to the largest military in the cluster can only be conducive to that military having more faith in and willingness to support EDENCOM directives, the Provost Marshal was not selected by the Empire, it seems likely she was selected with those factors in mind.
EDENCOM is a joint initiative fighting a war, collectively we have proved that we cannot be trusted to pick the right side; Thus there is not, and cannot reasonably be public transparency, EDENCOM needs to continue to be inscrutable to capsuleers.
Because I have faith that the member nations are not universally represented by complete imbeciles, I am utterly convinced that the empires are privy to all the pertinent information; if though I am mistaken, I remain even more certain that the Inner Circle have better recourse to act on any issues than whatever anti-Imperial hysteria you and Elsebeth Rhiannon insist on contriving.
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It really is getting rather tiresome.
Considering the Federation-Republic alliance only has one liminal system while the Empire-State alliance is now dealing with five, this truly must be one of the poorest Imperial conspiracies to ever be devised. I demand our schemers step things up a notch for the next one.
Joking aside, I find the idea that the Republic is entitled to equal effort in this initiative to be offensive. They contribute less and have less need than any of the other three empires, yet some here seem to be more worried about the rogue nation that literally destroyed the headquarters of the organisation that is now stepping up to defend New Eden than the rest.
As it stands now, thirty-eight Imperial, fifteen State and thirteen Federal systems have been attacked with measurable results. For the Republic, four.
Is there a bias? I do not know. Should there be a bias? Most definitely. Perhaps we should address the Triglavian’s preferences next.
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You know nothing of the mindset of which I speak, and are better off for it.
Quite so. The question, then, is which of those interests are being prioritized and which fall by the wayside.
I must interject on this. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you are mistaken, rather than deliberately misinforming others. In fact, the Amarr delegate insisted on Mz. Valkanir’s appointment to the position.
And yet it is still capsuleers that have contributed the most to the defense of all systems. As for “anti-Imperial hysteria,” it is distrust for the Four Empires, not active rebellion or whatever nonsense. I’ve defended Amarr systems just the same as any other system. If you cannot separate my detestation of slavery from an attack on the Amarr Empire, this adds to the evidence of slavery being an agenda of that Empire.
From what I’ve seen, the Collective seems to be blindly throwing darts at a map to decide which systems to invade, and this ratio is roughly approximate to the systems held by these Empires.
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Her Majesty the Empress and President Jacus Roden personally coordinated upon plans to establish a dedicated command organisation to coordinate defense in depth and accelerated fortification, while the DED forces continue to engage in counter-Triglavian operations alongside their existing duties across the cluster.
With the Empire’s and Federation’s allies having subsequently supported their plan, the Inner Circle insisted upon the formation of EDENCOM, and either at their urging or left to the discretion of CONCORD Provost Marshal Kasiha Valkanir, formerly of the AEGIS division was selected to lead this initiative.
Naturally I will extend you the courtesy of assuming you were misinformed.
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A direct quote from my source:
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Nobody here has been discussing her position as a Provost Marshal, but as the leader of EDENCOM.
Don’t be obtuse. Provost Marshal is a title for the OIC of EDENCOM.
She has been a Provost Marshal for some time, it is unlikely she would have been considered as a possible leader for EDENCOM without such seniority. But it is a separate appointment, prior to this appointment she was the Provost Marshal heading the AEGIS Division.
Yeah, well, I find someone who only barely got off his butt to put in the minimum effort to defend his homeland lecturing people who’ve showed up to defend all of the empires to be pretty offensive.
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Here is the distribution of all systems and of invasions, so far. They are remarkably similar.
To this date, nine Republic systems have been attacked. In five of those, there have been no noticable results because we have fought there long and hard enough to get both sides to to withdraw. And by “we” I do not mean Edencom, I mean capsuleers and locals.
That you would use the “no effect in Minmatar space” as proof for your biases being justified without even checking the real situation is telling.
If anything, the lack of noticable effect is further evidence of Edencom bias - we have no reason to expect help from them, while even at this moment Edencom is taking care the two Amarr systems don’t fall and leaving the defense of Ichoriya to the likes of myself and Edward Adams, whom the State should not have to rely on.
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