I only said that because of your comment about me never seeing an MTU or even knowing what one was if I did find it. They’re so dirt cheap and common that everyone knows what they are.
By definition, high-sec SUICIDE gankers are working against concord. They are not doing PVP but PVE.
Since they are the most risk-adverse and the most vocal of PVE people, they also have the highest carebears index.
So if you gank somebody on the street and get blown apart by a police robot, you just did PvE?
in Eve, yes.
As much as you’re a PvPer, yes. As much as you’re an ELITE PvPer, very yes!
Only if you’re making sure you’re only blowing up elderly people who are guaranteed not to be armed- AND if you bring along 7 friends to come with you for the assist. Then yes- you’re doing PvE.
So you don’t think elderly people qualify as people?
I do. I consider you when you’re doing to them what you said you’d be doing in the fake scenario you described not to be people.
Edit: Let’s face it- You’re using garbage ships and several friends to take down a mining barge before Concord shows up because you’re just not up to the challenge of losing yet another excellent combat ship.
All you have to do is have enough people- That’s all. Enough people in trash ships to do enough damage to blow up the mining barge before Concord shows up. That’s why mining barges are also cheap with cheap fittings. Easily replaced. Of course, when someone like me comes along and blings out a tough Skiff, it completely ruins your whole entire game. Now, you not only have to expend more disposable ships, you have to find enough people that are not only online, but willing to go out of their way to lose a ship just to blow up a lowly Skiff.
There’s no skill in what you do- it’s just having enough numbers vs. Concord’s timer. That’s just PvE skill.
The think is , nobody is trying to blow up your skiff as a waste of time, this bothers you.
No it doesn’t actually. It amuses me. The “think” is that you and Aiko go on and on and on and on… and onnnnn about how Elite you are and how all miners must die, yet you’re not scary at all. I mean that’s all you do. You’re the most one-dimensional player on these forums! “Worship me or be destroyed if you’re a miner!” No… That’s not even remotely the way it is in game. It used to be the case 12 years ago. Miners had to be careful. People brought shield repair drones on alts for their Hulks and had them orbit at all times. If anyone came to blow up the Hulk, they had to destroy the cheaper repair ship first giving the Hulk a chance to escape. Tactics were used back then. Now, people sit in ice belts with Hulks and Mackinaws completely unprotected because they make enough money mining blue ice than they lose replacing their ship if one ever gets destroyed.
High Sec isn’t so scary anymore.
Not blowing me doesn’t bother me. I have the freedom I didn’t have back then to do all sorts of things I couldn’t afford to do back then. Moon mining, ice mining, PI, citadel, etc… All it cost me was a shield tank on a Skiff.
An absurd criticism…as that is essentially the nature of every combat in Eve. Blow up something else either without or before getting blown up oneself. ‘Enough people’ is the nature of every fleet…whether ganking or not. Every combat must involve ‘enough’ of some factor…whether it is DPS or tank or simply the ability to run away. As for ‘disposable’…someone flying an overly blingy marauder is ‘disposing’ of a heck of a lot more in their loss than any gank fleet ever could.
Not true. A fleet of cats is short lived in null sec. A fleet of cats is absolute safety in high sec. In Null sec, no fleet is truly safe. Carriers and Titans can even be taken down. In High Sec, a fleet of cats never gets blown up until they suicide on their target.
Au contraire…
So one cat gets popped and that’s concrete proof that a fleet of suicide cats is at risk of blowing up before they reach their target? That people in High Sec are losing cats one after another all over High Sec?
Almost every cat is popped by the police. Suicide cat fleets are popped only when the police arrive. There’s no skill in that. It’s all PvE.
That was part of a fleet. They were all suspect already…so I blapped one of them. My Gnosis has locking speed set very high and I have skills for locking and range maxed out.
That’s why you bring extra. Mining barges have drones and that’s the risk they’re set up for… if they’re not completely incompetent. I’m not saying those fleets aren’t effective. They are. It’s just a numbers game vs. Concord. All I said was that of all the things in life and in this game that require a lot of skill, suicide ganking isn’t one of them.
No amount of “You’re wrong!!!” will change my mind.
@Afrodites I think it’s PvP that is Elite.
I have never heard of Ganking but that isn’t surprising since I am new to this game.
What do gankers actually do within PvP?
But this is why I call myself an Elite Loser…because every single kill or loss in this char’s puny killboard has taught valuable lessons and often resulted in changes to fittings and even ships. Every kill, I learn by direct experience…a bit more about locking speeds, ranges…how hopeless some turrets are against kiting…changes to tactics, and so on. There are things you simply can’t learn from watching a video or reading a manual.
To me this rapid acquisition of experience is the path to real elite, and I’d no longer use ‘elite PvP’ but maybe ‘formidable’ instead.
Because he knows that this thread is called, Elite PvP vs Ganking and so he is posting on topic. It is literally the entire topic of this thread. 
Or is this thread about PvPers against Gankers?
I think PvPers would win because they fight.