CCP pays attention to login numbers. If the ESS changes affect their monthly numbers, they will change the tuning of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if the ESS main bank only ends up pulling 10% of the bounties by the time CCP is done.
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Sorry, you keep talking about this and I’m really confused.
But how does the ESS update cause your “time, effort and subscription fees” to be “wasted”? What do you mean by “wasted”?
Like, are you not still an Omega account when you pay the subscription cost?
Doesn’t your ship still deal more damage since you’ve trained those skills?
Do you still not have assets in game that you’ve accumulated through your gameplay?
How does changing this ESS make all of those “wasted”?
Ok, and? If you don’t like the service CCP is providing, you can just… not play the game. No one is forcing you to stick around.
Most reasonable words so far
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In very limited circumstances, and not casually as discussed here. But hey, don’t take my word for it. It’s not like I’m a lawyer or anything.
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Keeps mentioning specific ship class restrictions. However, you’ve never documented which ship calls.
What ships are allowed in?
There’s a timer on the theft payout (with a system wide notification of who is taking the money) and they’d be losing 30% of the main bank payout if they robbed themselves because those tokens are destroyed.
Sure, they could panic pull their money every time someone enters system, yet it seems wildly inefficient–let alone everything that is compounding with the dynamic bounty system.
These are the ships it allows cruisers to battleships.
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Sweet. Next stop, ruin Exploration as well.
I asked you whether you can follow your train of thought not to humiliate you or anything. But you’re jumping from one tangential gibberish to the other. Every one of your posts is disconnected from the previous ones, just aiming to produce knee jerk responses against my arguments.
Let’s analyze every branch of argument you raised here to expose your gibberish.
- You defend that there is no point in owning sov, after all the changes CCP has made.
- I argued NS has been the main carrier of MERs, and will be so in the future.
- You gave me a single wartime MER example where HS carried mining. Oasa was still the second region.
- I argued if Oasa can mine that much, the ore is still there. War is why NS mining has been low in your single MER. But the overall uptime ratio of cluster-shuttering war in Eve is very low. NS carries the farm most of the time.
- Now you’re telling me the reason Oasa is mining that much is it’s remoteness as a region.
Here is why I keep asking you whether can you follow what you’ve been saying. Can you even follow what does remoteness literally have to do with anything to do with the above discussion? Mining risk didn’t change since Delve has been mining trillions per month. Delve had NPC space back then. And there were regions mining way more remote with near zero mining. CCP did no change to remoteness of anywhere. If anything, filaments made it easier for people to spawn into Oasa. That should have made things worse for them.
The only two things that changed wrt mining was resource density due to scarcity changes, and war. Oasa mining this much demonstrates that there is still enough resource per region for NS to keep carrying MERs. The war disrupts their collection. Therefore that’s why HS carries mining your single MER. Btw, your single MER sheet does not even cover most ways of generating value in null superior to hisec; including ratting, escalations, close by NPC missions, PI, etc.
So it’s pure fish-memory gibberish to even talk about remoteness of Oasa in our context.
Those people he referred to as spastics (Honey Hunters, btw) are my friends. I camped 1dq countless times. When they weren’t camping 1dq, they were dropping on the campers with me. Even every GOON knows that. You just underestimate how many alts I have.
- He calls us spastic.
- I call him edgy.
- You tell me I’m doing ad hominem.
- I tell you it’s OK to respond someone with the same language (I used an analogy there).
- I’m still in the wrong according to you.
Even if he only called my friends that, that’s a proportionate and calm response. Even if he called some randoms that name, my response is very adequate. That’s an edgy boi we have.
I just can’t believe how I end up being in the wrong side here according to you lol. And there is 5000+ words of text in this thread with this pointless discussion. Thanks to your zealous Grr Olmec. Pure useless gibberish thread of argumentation #2.
- Here was my initial argument.
(Premise One) 30 to 40 percent of all real Eve players are nullsec players. (Premise Two) Because no significant entity is living in NPC null, most of the people who live in nullsec live in sov nullsec. (Conclusion) Therefore there is still a point in owning sov in nullsec.
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You asked me to define “significant”.
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I clarified ‘significant’ to you as significant in population, giving you sample populous nullsec entities.
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Only left with a useless semantics issue, you kept saying I used the word “significant” wrongly.
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I clarified you that arguing with me on this is pointless for you; because my initial premise is super strong. There are many players in null. And most of them live in sov nullsec. That should be just a common sensical agreement between us. Let alone you know I’ve seen the data at my CSM capacity.
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Now you’re bringing up;
- A distinction between real person vs accounts
- Silent Company
I don’t know what either of these even has to do with anything in my initial argument.
Firstly, be it accounts or real people; there are many nullsec players and most people living in null live in sov null. Nothing changes with your distinction.
Secondly, I told you 30 to 40 percent of people are in nullsec. Now you’re talking about Silent Company; which is an entity that counts into the hiseccer majority of the game. What does THAT have to do with anything I said? Again, pure unhelpful gibberish designed to squeeeeze every thread of argumentation so you can hold even the dumbest of your grounds.
I ran one of the most transparent campaigns with all my ideas out there. Anything I defended to CCP, I also defended in this AMA. People voted for me because they were convinced with the agenda.
OK. This is cool by me. I always argued a high risk/high reward environment for NS. If it turns out it’s not rewarding enough, CCP says they’ll take care of it (as I told you they would easily). In my very initial post, I told that if you guys have a problem with reward reduction, go ask CCP for higher rewards and leave ESS out of it. ESS is there to foster interaction. Rewards can be adjusted separately. So, again, even bringing up “there is no point of owning sov in nullsec” was tangential gibberish to begin with.
Anyways. I’m done engaging with your tangential gibberish now. You could have just tell me “I don’t like you Olmeca, and I will disagree with anything you say”. And we could have saved like 30000 words in this thread. As I predicted, a constructive debate here was a long shot. I shouldn’t keep getting pulled into this, but I am.
Because that always goes well in an internet debate…
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No, you argued that if Oasa can mine that much, then so can any other region in nullsec.
See? So claiming now that you were arguing something else? That’s a lie. And even the thing you were trying to argue is blatantly not true, because not all of nullsec has the same # of systems per region to generate the same # of anomalies, nor the same number of moons.
I mean, if you’re going to keep being dishonest about this crap, at least be good at it. I can follow my own train of thought perfectly well. You, on the other hand, seem to be actively attempting to shift goalposts and obfuscate, and, well… lie… with every post.
Also not true. Here’s what’s changed since spring last year (when the mining numbers crashed):
Anomaly respawn rate
Excavator yield
Anomaly ore composition—not just density, but the complete removal of some ores.
Moon mineral removal.
So, you know, once again, if you’re going to lie, lie well.
Or don’t bother, because honestly, I have a lot better things to do with my time than waste it on a liar. Welcome to blocked.
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does anyone have details on the specific ship class restrictions for entering the gate?
I’ve never met with someone who is determined to argue so much semantics with any other person in my life lol. Yeah let’s just discuss meanings of words and sentences all day because obviously that’ll get us somewhere. You must be doing this on purpose!
- If Oasa can mine that much, the ore is still there.
- If Oasa can mine that much, so can everyone else.
- If Oasa can mine that much, so can every other region.
SoI made THE EXACT SAME POINT but didn’t use exactly the same sentences and that linguistic choice of words must mean your points were 100% right :).
So you mean scarcity changes? How is any of this related to remoteness of Oasa? All these affected Oasa as well, yet they are mining finely. But my linguistic choice of referring to all those as scarcity changes makes me wrong, right? Back to the pond-fish memory :).
Nullsec sov is worth living. It will remain worth living. If rewards are too little, CCP will increase the faucets. This should have been the 3-sentence end of dicussion about 30000 words ago.
Is there a list of what the actual ship class restrictions are?
Thanks.
You is honest rat. Ok, i have few hours after work to rat and pew-pew. rat on my ishtars, don’t using any bots / or program which automation this process. Get ping and move to staging. When remains <5 min to sended isk from bank to me, i get message “Bank hacking”. You in position on PvP ship on staging, any chances to defend your isk.
CCP: hurr durr fighting with bots!
me: one account will in stasis, 2 accounts fully switched from credit card to plex.
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Yes, it revealed itself.
So much for elite PeeVeePee))
Grow up man, you just managed to do little ■■■■ and get away with it, so what? Nobody cares about your “epic” achivement thanks to new ESS))
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Lol… I guess somebody stole from you as well if you are that salty.
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New ess system is a dictatorship.
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Nope)) bad guess))