Played around with it a bit and have to apologize, it actually looks more fun than expected. Though I still would prefer a simple, drop tags instead ESS solution.
Itâs like blackout.
In fhe beginning of blackout, people logged.in and fried to go about business as usual. Roaming gangs and hunters had a field day. The 1st couple of days some of these guys felt the need go proclaim great victory on these forums and on Reddit.
But human beings adapt. In short order , people stopped logging in rather than try to rat/mine as usual. For a while that was ok, as fhe roaming gangs and hunters af least still had each other to fight.
After a couple weeks, even that dried up. And blackout turned null into a wasteland so desolate that ccp had to end the blackout.
Having done some ratting yesterday, I can say itâs not that bad and i even chased off a couple thieves which was mildly entertaining. But it was only the 1st day, hunters are going to find ways to be more successful, ratters are going to get tired of losing isk and ratting or response ships and people in general will get ticked off at the loopholes that are already popping up, like the logoffski stabber thieves talked about on Reddit.
Long story short, itâs the 1st day, donât claim victory yet lol.
Shhh, I wanted to do that âŚ
Kinda liking the new ESS mechanics, but imho CCP clearly failed hard to make an associated change: Why exactly is it still possible to deposit items into hostile structures (in sov space!! - HS/LS is one thing and there it makes sense due to constract scamming) and then asset safety them out? Basically each and every stream Iâve watched so far related to ESS robbing has âabusedâ this mechanic to essentially rob the ESS bank and then just send the ISK away without having to worry how to actually keep it safe while doing other heists or trying to escape from the area.
Why isnât there somebody manning the upwellâs guns then?
Was that in response to the cargo deposit issue? You do know that cargo deposit takes like 2 or 3 seconds to do with a small number of items? And a structure usually takes 10 times that to even lock a smallish ship. Also it works on any structure, so roamers have free pick to use any random athanor on any random moon as their safety teleporter for loot 
My opinion after tests at SISSI and use at Tranquility.
Excelent idea!!!
It will create some movement and maybe lead ratters to create defense fleets and go to PvP (and maybe like it).
ButâŚ
Soon the amount deposited in the ESS that can be stolen will no longer be as attractive. In a crowded system, the value will be higher, but the chance of stealing is small, as there will be more players willing to defend.
In a vacant system, the value will be low and may not be worth the risk, because of the timer (5 minutes is enough time for a fleet to jump 2 or 3 gates and defend the ESS).
Suggestion:
- Add an aggression time (red) for the attempted theft, avoiding secure logoff.
- Payment must be made once a day, before or after downtime, or after the end of the vulnerability window. Thus the value will be much more interesting for those who want to steal.
- Implement a âtheft time windowâ similar to the systemâs vulnerability window, to balance payment once a day.
- Finally, reduce the theft time from 5min to 3min, for example. It forces those in the system to move faster to defend an ESS with a lot of ISK.
Fly (not so) safe
Git gud then.
Maybe stop littering nullsec with infinite structure trash?
Few organised groups maybe , on behalf of maintaining their ADM up, but as an income , nope, majority of casual players or even dedicated ones who did that to profit will move from nullsec or change source of income.
Ouch. Maybe he knows of fountain Frank and not brisc?
who is fountain frank?
He is our Chieftain and Savior. He is the minister of Truth and God of NO SPIN zone.
Nice =)
Unfortunately this does not matter. In most alliances the line members have no rights to man the stations anyway.
So just one station in the system is enough to make the transfer safely, if I have understood it correctly.
Bank robbers would get careless about making the deposit (eventually). People should complain about their elitist corporate oligarcy then, not the local players that interact with them.
This is the most complicated stupid process ever, and for what? To force content? Did no one actually think this out before rolling it out?
Thank you, thatâs appreciated.
This wasnât even your ISK that I stole and youâre THIS salty? What?
Why are you getting offended for someone else?
How dare someone participate in a new mechanic that CCP introduced and have fun. How dare they!!
cheers mate