Encounter Surveillance System Update

[Wadiest_Yong]

Cat burglary becomes a thing in EvE

[Brisc_Rubal]

@BodyCount_Tool

Calling someone names on internet isn’t the same as getting hit or someone humiliating you in RL.

Sure it is, at least the real life humiliation part. Getting hit is battery, which is usually a misdemeanor.

@BodyCount_Tool

what kind of hippie nonsense mindset is that?
If someone hits you, and you hit them back, it’s ALWAYS justified self defense.

Nope. It really isn’t. Justification is also an affirmative defense, which means if the prosecutor decides to push the case, you’ve got to prove that you were justified. That means getting a lawyer, dealing with the headaches and the waiting of the judicial system, and it’s going to take time and cost you a lot of money.

@BodyCount_Tool

Not only that, I’ll go further, if someone calls you names and is humiliating you and he’s in front of you, it’s ok to punch them or slap them and ask them to repeat what they just said.

This is a great way to end up in prison. The whole “fighting words” thing is largely a myth.

@BodyCount_Tool

Regarding being no better then them in that case… who cares lol. If you do nothing you’re just pathetic. If they get away with punching you and you don’t react, they’ll punch next time someone else and then the next one, until someone knocks them out and their action has a consequence.

If they hit you, they’ve broken the law, and it’s up to the law to deal with them, not you. That’s the point of living in a world with laws.

@Shadalana

remember, he is an american. If you have enough money and can pay the better lawyers you can go unpunished by law all your life. that’s america.

The types of people who think it’s okay to punch somebody for saying mean things to you generally do not have enough money to pay for lawyers.

[leavwiz]

mom says dont complain unless you offer solutions.

1. stop the main bank altogether
2. take a lower percentage to start with
3. make the main bank theft by contributors have less of a penalty
4. reduce the pay cycle to more normal time for players (90 mins) instead of bots. 3 hours
5. use a mining ledger type function to identify contributors and thieves with easy export
6. remove the easy mode to find the ESS rich systems
   any or all of these suggestions would show that CCP really is interested in responding to player input

[Shadalana]

@Brisc_Rubal

@Shadalana

remember, he is an american. If you have enough money and can pay the better lawyers you can go unpunished by law all your life. that’s america.

The types of people who think it’s okay to punch somebody for saying mean things to you generally do not have enough money to pay for lawyers.

I never said this.

[Rosewalker]

Noizy here. I haven’t really followed the ESS because I don’t hang out in null sec due to my allergy to bubbles. While you’re giving me credit for being data driven, you might want to throw Rhivre onto the list. She probably knows more about the data in the MER than CCP does.

BTW, I hope it is okay with @Arrendis if I don’t link the post the one time Rhivre caught the mistake after I published.

[you_are_evil]

@leavwiz

remove the easy mode to find the ESS rich systems

it does not change anything.
you can allready display systems by npc kill count.

[leavwiz]

so why did they need a set destination function to “help” if it was already easy? why should they know how much and when, instead of “hunting”. pvp should require some effort beyond just the fight itself. especially if you expect the defenders to commit resources just to “guard” unless the defenders get a notification that someone used the “set destination” function. seems fair to me

[Arrendis]

@Rosewalker

BTW, I hope it is okay with @Arrendis if I don’t link the post the one time Rhivre caught the mistake after I published.

Totally fine, yeah.

[Katana_Masen]

I have tested this new ESS system a bit.
The core mechanics of new feature felt not much bad, one point I didn’t like is that whole ESS ongrid is visible to D-scan. Since it’s visible, habitants are too much superior to intruders by pushing counter ships for them.
It would be more attractive for intruders if ESS ongrids are immune to D-scan ( the outside of the ESS should be invisible from the ESS too ).

[Blade_Darth]

ok, great “exciting gameplay” addition…

But it goes a bit against the sandbox and makes sov owners less of an owner since sov holder has no influence over it.

My proposal:

• make it a anchorable structure
• lower anom npc bounty everywhere
• the ESS (once anchored and online) will bring bounty payouts back to normal and all it’s “exciting gameplay” with it.

[Ratukla_Ichosira]

I’m loving this new thrilling gameplay. Looking at how much isk is in the ESS around us… Nobody is ratting, this was as intended, right?

[Sarah_Alivan]

To be honest… im not ratting for someones wallet… im ratting for my own. CCP forgot something… There are non pvp experienced people or with other intentions. I dont like PVP. Burning ISK for what? There is nothing to achieve there. But here comes CCP… lets introduce more forced PVP. You know that ESS thingy? Yeah that thingy that steals your money for 3hours. Oh you cant defend 1v9? Well… uuupsiii,

[Scoots_Choco]

@Ratukla_Ichosira

Looking at how much isk is in the ESS around us

lucky for you, ccp has already fixed that issue with filaments!

[Derath_Ellecon]

@Sarah_Alivan

To be honest… im not ratting for someones wallet… im ratting for my own. CCP forgot something… There are non pvp experienced people or with other intentions. I dont like PVP.

Then rat somewhere other than nullsec.

[Xeux]

Or rat on the Singularity server.

[Litsea_Reticulata]

@CCP_Psych

Try clicking on the Main Bank details area within the ESS window. It should give you a list of characters for the last two day.

I see it. 2 days isn’t much of a history though.

cough

ESI endpoint access? Mail with the details of who did the stealing?

[Jonetsu]

Hrm so how are you supposed to defend the ESS when you have to log off for work or Log off to go to sleep? just chalk it up as a loss when you leave for the day? or just plan your play time and ratting down to when you are actually around to defend this thing. I dont mind having to fight for my ■■■■ but I do work and I think 3 hours is too long of a time to try and force someone to protect something…

This is a really bad update, honestly thinking of canceling my accounts, bad form CCP

[Francis_Blyat]

People usually rat when they can’t participate in pvp activity so they can fund their pvp later on when they have the time. This is basically a nullsec tax collecting simulator for small gangs during those hours and ab kitey meta/ blasters pre-sitting at 0/ who-enter-first advantage inside the ESS bubble; not even probing works to catch those who already outside of the ESS bubble. This is not at all a well thought-out change in my opinion.

[safira_jomita]

@Derath_Ellecon

Then rat somewhere other than nullsec

Exactly what will happen, thanks to confirm my point on other threads.

[Oskar_Milde]

To be honest, I’m enjoying the salt from folks who get caught / driven off from the ESS even more than I am the substantial number of kills from would-be thieves.

They are STILL moaning about not getting a fair fight, boohoohoo why isn’t it easier for me to steal from you, etc etc etc.

Glorious.