Id still need it to do something, other than fly about though
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Never bought a single thing other than a sub since 2009, happy to say
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Just gonna leave it here… Have you ever try to get an ESS Key from contract and run it to grab the Reserve bank?? ? you can get your isk back x10 ! 15 minutes key give you 1.55B and 45’s Key give you 4.6B
Think about it !
You can. Reship into anything that can pass the ESS acceleration gate, take it, and cash your own bounties out.
Certainly not. Belt ratting in null with a cruiser, t3d or assault frigate provides more isk then FW plex crabbing.
Of cause. Mining in null is even more boring then it is in high. Not because odds to get ganked while mining are lower, or there are no rats in large/huge/enormous/collosal mining anoms, but because in high, a miner actually wants the ores he’s mining, and has to consider how to get the ore reprocced or compressed and moved, while in null, for most of the rocks the objective is to get ridd of the ore instead, so the mining anom finally despawns… hence the use of Type C mining lasers that remove large quantities of rock with_out_ the miner getting it.
The fact most ESS farmers don’t gate or wormhole after having looted the ess, but just cloak and needlejack or safelog to deny content.
LMAO
Paying an average of more then 50% interest rate on Tranquility, after only 3 hours, it’s in fact better then anything you could dream of even the most daring high-risk investments in the real world. Chances a high risk investment backfires, in the real world, are also larger then those of losing some isk in SOV null, and when it does backfire, it’s usually more then 50% that is lost.
Just repurpose a reaction alt to sit in the ESS with a T1 fit throwaway cruiser with multiple webs on it, and cash out your own ESS out every hour, then. Or every 15 minutes. Leave the alt in the ESS when a ganker come… if he’s an unarmed Stabber, he’ll skip your system after hitting dscan, or die to the T1 fit if he doesn’t dscan, but if the looter’s Stabber was armed, the alt will feed the BRM with its hull instead. Worthless loot from NPC wrecks can rebuild the lost ship easily, and noone cares about a reaction alt’s zkill.
Stabber warps into the ESS → BRM improvement. Because either it, or the alt, will get wrecked, which improves the BRM.
NPC null and lowsec also are affected by the BRM. It’s the lack of the endless lvl5 sites and the 24/7 ishtar botting in those that causes the BRM to be higher in NPC null then it is in certain SOV nulls.
Even in carebear-controlled nulls, there’s many systems that have high BRMs. But the ishtar crab doesn’t want to push “his” military up to the point the lvl5 sites he wants to afk in spawn, so he afks in the system where other crabs have already pushed the mility index, resulting in massive concentration of crabbing ishtars, which destroys the BRM.
We had a sub-100% BRM in Great Wildlands’ V-IH6B a year ago when we were farming it 24/7, too.
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The ESS is a great mechanic to force defending ratters to make decisions on whether or not to give fights to roamers. Before this there was no real way to pressure docked ratters to engage with you and now there is.
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Brm is so terrible. Just get rid of it.
This right here.
They now have skin in the game and something to loose if they don’t fight to defend it.
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You can. Reship into anything that can pass the ESS acceleration gate, take it, and cash your own bounties out.
You lose 30% of the bounty when you do that.
Certainly not. Belt ratting in null with a cruiser, t3d or assault frigate provides more isk then FW plex crabbing.
Wrong. A 1100 dps 1.5b golem gets an average 10m isk ticks in a 100% bounty system farming combat sites. Its far less when you belt rat. Belt ratting is more like 5m isk ticks. Capping novice plex sites in FW nets at least 10m isk per 10 minutes in a simple frigate or destroyer on Tier 1 LP gain.
Paying an average of more then 50% interest rate on Tranquility, after only 3 hours, it’s in fact better then anything you could dream of even the most daring high-risk investments in the real world. Chances a high risk investment backfires, in the real world, are also larger then those of losing some isk in SOV null, and when it does backfire, it’s usually more then 50% that is lost.
Only system in null sov that are 150% are either systems are not farmed like renters space, staging area which we aren’t allowed to farm, or bottleneck systems leading to empire. The rest on average are 90% or lower. Yes, we are living the dream and half of that can be stolen by a simple stabber cruiser.
I’m not against the ESS system. I hate how unbalanced it is. It’s not fair that my isk is stuck in a vault that requires up to 3 hours of gameplay session of constant gaurd otherwise it can be stolen by a t1 cruiser with no weapons, only speed in less than 6 minutes with only a simple ding pop up to warn of a intrusion, so I have to stay glued to the monitor for that 3 hours if i don’t want to lose my isk.
The payout needs to be changed to every hour or hour and a half. Not fair that the game requires I play for 3 hours straight to gaurd a vault.
You can log off. Nobody will notice.
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5m is like … a single 3BS spawn? Belt ratting with a cruiser was 20m/tick before the tick and is now 30m-ish.
A Marauder running Anoms makes 30-50m per tick in a 100% BRM system.
In Venal almost all systems in the region are >150% . Same with the Spire. And Teneriffs. […]
What’s 6 minutes? Prospect decloak to dead marauder takes 15 seconds. You can wreck the Prospect for another 45 seconds before that one is cloaked up and relocated, too.
In 6 min even if the marauder is soloing in system, it can get out of siege, reship to an anti-unarmed-cruiser doctrine ship, grab a stabber killmail, and go on ratting.
Then go to highsec. LVL4 missions make more then 10m per tick with a marauder and you get LP on top of it, you can dock up whenever you want without risking anything, other then your mission DED despawning if you don’t log in again to finish it before downtime.
The concept of SOV is that it’s populated by corporations. Anyone can remove an unarmed cruiser from an ESS deadspace. If he gives it a try.
Your numbers are inflated. A marauder cannot make 50m isk in a combat site @ 100% bounty. It’s more like 20-25m.
I’m not talking about NPC null, I’m talking about SOV null. Not every belt spawns 3x battleships.
You leave out the fact that the ESS takes 50% of that pay up for grabs.
I don’t live in Venal or Spire or Teneriffs.
So, let me get baited by a t1 cruiser only for a black ops to jump in some marauders of their own. True story.
You go to high sec. Stop supporting unbalanced mechanics that don’t even effect you. There is no ESS where you live in npc null, so you don’t suffer the imbalance of it. I’m all for BPA being able to reach 150%, but I don’t think the floor should be 50%. Why is the payout timer 3 hours? Why doesn’t it seem reasonable to you that not everyone has 3 hours straight to play. Why wouldn’t it be more fair if the payout timer was every hour so that I among others are online to defend that ESS since you and other likeminded fools claim that you want pvp and the ESS grants that?
I think the ess is fine i don’t mind it if any thing i would put more isk in so the banks are bigger and worth stealing (i rob banks when a can with my corp for some salt)
But where my gripe is that the brm is so low in the all of horde space its just not worth ratting at all. I put 3 ishtars (multiboxed) out last night to test it out. 1 hour solid ratting made just under 30m ess included.
So if no ratters are out then no ratters are there in space for hunters to hunt. Also no ess banks to steal.
Make ratting slightly profitable and null would actually b a bit more fun. Heck even my super makes ■■■■ isk. 36b isk ship and a can make more isk with a praxis in a c3 wtf???
Any system that has above 100% is so hot you could not rat in there with a rifter never mind anything else.
So ratting is dead. Everyone starts mining moons because thats the only half decent income now.
Crashing the mineral prices. Now every one is poor and ccp wonder why there is no wars or destruction???
Corps and aliances dont make any isk from miners. Ratters make the income with taxes.
Fix some of the points mentioned it might just help the game.
This is incorrect I could get 22mil ticks in an astarte 900dps on belt rat’s long ago when I used to live in sov null, with maruaders that do 3x the dps you could get a lot more doing anom’s golem is missiles so you just are not tracking them well with your torps.
Also fw plex’s are terrible becuase of bot’s and lp degration:
So you are incorrect again.
Both fw and sov null are terrible isk go move to npc null and do missions. And instead of earning 60-100mil/h earn 300-1000.
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“long ago” ive got a 2300 dps Barghest I use for belts, you do not earn 22m isk ticks. You might get close to that if you spend hours getting the perfect spawn 3x 1.5m battleships for each wave.
Is it still impossible after I link it? Hint raw dps is not the answer.
How much of that 2300 dps is the belt rat’s actually receiving? Are you hitting into their weakest resistance and do your torps apply full damage? Are you using target painters or webs?
Rat bounties have not changed since I started playing in 2007 the only thing that changed is the dynamic bounty system which belongs to the system not the rat’s so that 22mil ticks was before the system bonus :]. 150% bounty systems ftw.
I even live near a 200% system where gate campers live I can sneak in their with my stealth bomber and go get higher ticks np.
Also if you do drone sites you get a garenteed sentient spawn which has a much higher bounty 15mil or something if you mix that with storms and do storm chasing you can get tons of these.
If you chase the triglavian storm you can get the 50% bonus to therm damage as well there is tons of cool ways to make isk with tick’s just need to get creative.
If you compare this to wormholes its terrible thou, you can make 100-200 mil/h in c1 and c2(projection is key) even c3’s you can do 200-300 and c4 and c5 in maruaders you can get closer to 500.
ESS sucks
Bounty system rock’s learn to use it.
Maybe you should record the things you do Calculate how many seconds you spend shooting how many seconds you spend warping how long the setup time is what the bounty vs kill time max isk/h is and so on.
Then you will see where you are loosing money, if you are using a bs then its probibly your warp time, compare your travel time vs the time fighting if travel time is higher then there is no point flying a bs.
I can get 1k dps from a bomber. 1.5k in a triglav storm close to 2k if I overheat and repair with paste inbetween warps. Mix in a warp speed rig + add drugs and some lvl 3 implant’s and boom crazy time ahead 50m ticks np.
And even then its only 150mil/h which is ok but not great.
Maybe if you abyssal caldari navy bcu use faction target painter and 65% abyssal web and use warp speed implant set you can be pushing 70-80mil ticks.
But that is an expensive loss to a saber waiting to happen., cheaper to just run c3 in a nighthawk at that point for 500mil.
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You might want to rework your marauder fit if 25m is all you can grab from anoms.
The spawn mechanic is the same on the whole server. Any system that can spawn 3 primaries can be chained to have nothing but tripple primary spawns. Any system that doesn’t spawn 3 primaries can be chained to have nothing but double primary spawns instead, too.
And in 99 out of 100 times it soaks something, will pay it to the people that it soaked it from, with an interest on it.
This might be the problem. If the mechanic was broken, how do the people living in Venal or Spire or Teneriffs manage to keep their BRM up?
Noone uses a single t1 cruiser to bait. You need bait that people form a fleet of expensive ships for. A faction or navy battleship for example.
Also, marauders can’t be jumped, at least not under conditions that are realistic. I doubt the truth in that story.
Indeed, we’ve been living in Great Wildlands NPC null with an ESS voluntarily deployed 24/7, under higher risks and at guaranteed isk loss, because it was such an awesome content generator, then lived in Providence SOV null after the ESS became mandatory and lost one bounty payout in more then a year of living there, so I have never suffered under the “imbalance”.
Why should it go up further then it can go down?
I don’t know why the 3 hours timeframe was chosen. Maybe because it harmonizes with the 24 hour period between timezones.
People that don’t have multiple hours to play can’t play the SOV ratting grind game decently anyway. In this age, they’re better off ratting in the Abyss, which provides a reliable source for insta-pve-content, at the expense of not getting standings gains and not contributing to your alliance’s grasp on the system (military index).
Others will prefer the 3 hours window. Yet others want a 24 hours window, or maybe just feeding it all into the bank to lure people into going for it, like me and my corps were doing in great wildlands. If anything at all, there should be an upgrade module for the iHub that gets worn down and needs replacement every now and then, and allows the bounty payout window to be modified.
Corporations where all members can agree on a payout window, can set it up, and other corporations can install a wormhole generator or a bigger mining anomaly upgrade, while keeping the 3 hours ratting payout window.
It creates a different PVP meta, but doesn’t “grant” anything. Your unarmed cruiser for example wouldn’t be unarmed if it was expecting any kind of opposition. A stabber can fit 180mm guns and webs and still be nano 100mn. But people don’t fit it that way… because the “risk” of having wasted money for guns and ammo are higher then the “risk” of losing a hull to any vexor or caracal that undocks.
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Really? Who would vote for this?
This isn’t in line with reality. PLEX has been a good indicator of the true value of ISK, and it keeps going up in price. If there was less money being generated, PLEX inflation wouldn’t be so extreme. So where is all the money coming from? Wormholes barely have anyone visiting them these days.
Also, high-end minerals are going up in price, so that doesn’t line up with your claim that desperate null-sec dwellers are crashing the mineral market because they have to relegate themselves to mining now that ratting is dead.
Plex is up because sub prices are up. More peeps trying to plex rather than pay.
Most mining in null is moons, thats dropped a lot.
Isogen is crazy prices but there not readily available in null only small amounts.
You look at the MER most income is blue loot. Not ratting in null
Its high end wormhole sites.
This is why null is dead.
Poch or c5 is the place to make isk.
The ESS nonsense was the main reason to stop playing, unsub my Omega accounts and stop playing. The price increase is the reason not even thinking about to come back.