If CCP were to enhance the PvE that we have, it’ll be more along the lines of the drifters and trigs than missions. CCP have been iterating on NPC AI since 2009 when they introduced the sleepers, it’s only going to get tougher. Their stated goal being that PvE is going to be a lot closer to PvP.
After a while the question becomes, if the NPC’s are better at Eve than you are, should you be playing?
The fact that people refused to mine because BLUE mining VENTURES who were NPC were there says it all really.
You should go to the old forums, or the old old forums, same chicken little ■■■■, and we are still here. Back to the River Fodder with you.
Hey at least i tried to suggest something to answer the “many” post on these forums about new player retention.
I am not going to bother wasting my time replying here anymore.
Back to playing eve online.
Thank you for your time, and have a good day.
That is pretty much the key issue right there. People get interested in EVE because of the videos, or the news stories, or the hype they hear somewhere; enter the game… and find out it’s nothing like they heard about. Instead it is slow, boring, clunky, clumsy. It has ancient interfaces, zero characterization, very little story or anything else to grab a new players interest.
This could work back in the day when it was one of the very few ‘space games’ a player could choose. That is no longer the case.
EVE has been holding on to an aging player base by its’ fingernails, mostly die-hards who won’t give it up because they’ve pumped so much money into it over the years. (They’re the ones you hear yelling “Nothing free for Alphas, give them the boot!”)
EVE needs a new vision and a new experience to stay relevant, or it will simply continue the downward slide it’s been on for 6 years now until even the diehards abandon it.
The new player Im currently tutoring has come to it after Elite Dangerous gave him the “wide, but shallow” experience.
He loves the fact that it requires practise just to use the interface and that there are concepts in how equipment and ships can be used that allow pretty much anything you want to happen, if you can think hard enough about.
My direct new player experience so far has been a very positive one, but perhaps we are the example that breaks the rule?
EDIT: This is the second new player who had the same reaction when I intorduced them to the game. The last time was two years ago and hes not a new player any more.
Also: new players dont have to be young people. The one demographic growing faster than youth is age.
Some older people may well have more time on their hands too, I dare say that a percentage of new Eve players are either retired or semi retired; video games, as we know them, having been a part of life since the early 70’s, and consoles since the mid 70’s.
I got my first console the same year that Star Wars blew my puny little 6 year old mind.
Mine was a Stella too.
Missile Command was the first game I ever played.
Best home version.
What does “casualisation” have to do with removing pvp from high?
Then go and enjoy one of those ‘countless’ and stop trying to impose your vision of turning soccer into baseball. Its a dumb idea only designed to flatter your own ego.
What some people here forget is that the players(and i mean ALL players) are the resource this game urgently needs.
For years now CCP has focused too much on only ONE part of the game,spoiled it and didn’t expect the harsh reaction they get as they only slightly changed the life of the nullbears(drifters,blackout)
My hope now is that,after the dust has settled,they CONTINUE to do what has to be done(changing the game to focus on other parts of the game,making PVE as important as PVP ect. because that’s the ONLY option CCP has to position this game on a bigger playerbase.
Surley this means LESS pvp in ceratin areas and “something to give others” from pvp tp PVE but this is marginal reagrding to the possibility of under 10k players in a year.
Something HAS to be done and it has to be done quick and “the something” can only be stop PVP in high and focus it in low and null,seperate PVE from PVP and don’t listen to the armageddon talks of people that actually have something to lose…ignore them for the best of all others…
I agree.
So please tell me how I can help speed this process along?
OP should totes make a better♾ EVE that is not stuck in the past. I’m sure it’d be easy peasy and all the current EVE players would just flock right over. He’d probably make a boatload of money too!
It’s interesting how every whiny poster’s individual pet peeve is always, without fail, THE solution to “player retention”. It’s almost like “player retention” is something people just throw out as a disingenuous rationale in service of some personal agenda.
Perhaps it’s a sign of narcissism. Their player retention is made out to be everyone’s player retention.
No, no, no.
They represent the silent majority.
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Most of whom wouldn’t touch Eve with a 10ft bargepole if it turned into WoW overnight.
The OP is a very good summary of the overall community mentality. Course that was fostered by the old CCP.
Now that there’s a new owner I think this game and the overall community mentality will change for the better. Course that’ll take some time.
What you mean is :
WAAAAHHHH I DON’T WANT ANY CHANGE!!!
MAAMMAAAA THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE GAME FROM ME!!!
Change…is…not…bad…
Standstill is…
So how do we change?
And why do you never change?
Why would we want change? We came to this game full well understanding what this game is and what it isn’t. It’s why we CHOSE to play this. We don’t have to change at all nor does the game need to change for us, us the people who are playing the game for what it is.
It’s people who started playing this game without accepting it for what it is who suddenly want it to change. Here’s a better idea, why don’t YOU change?
It’s like buying a pear and then yelling at it “why aren’t you an orange!”, demanding everyone else who bought the pears because they LIKE the pears to also have them changed to oranges. The best and most honest reply to that is “get lost, stop being dumb”.