See, this is what I mean. They’re never going to be happy. Not in wow, not in eve and probably not in any competitive game.
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My fav activity was killing Chinese gold farmers in Azshara.
I also once came upon an Alliance couple canoodling there.
Armor off and everything. Best kills of my WoW life 
Yep.
also some even years later haven’t figured out how eve works.
Why I love miners, usually the larger population of the princess “fan club”.
if I only needed to buy 1 ship and be done…that does not help the ecomomy lol. they mine millions of ores because ships die.
One item buy there, if that. If I knew all I’d need is the one ship, this char and other alts long ago tried mining. I can pick up a mining laser for a few days lol.
High end ores from the 0.0 folks is all I’d need to buy.
and done. just like many other MMO’s BIS crafted items. I only need that crafted…once. eve unlike other games doesn’ have new gear versions 1 to 2 times a year on “raid” drops.
I left eve as the dark ages started for wow lol. As I return I really have loved the fact I am using gear sitting in hangars 4-5 years. and its still good lol. I jsut try really hard to not die to keep it. like I did before the break.
And miners are still miners I see. Ore sells because ships die. this is the way lol.
Nah, good tactics requires education. I had played the game for a while before someone taught me how to d scan and find someone or tell if someone was coming to find me. Watching Blight’s Wretch’s introduction to faction warfare youtube video will teach you more about d scanning and knowing if someone is warping onto you than hundreds of hours of mining and running missions will.
I want to help pve people who are afraid of gankers and being ganked to improve their game. But it requires them to take the initiative. I mostly live in high sec, but spend some time in low sec as well, mining, running FW plexes, and missions. High sec is really safe and boring, for the most part. That is ok, I know many people like safe and boring.
I just don’t want an enforced boredom that has removed the last bit of pvp from highsec.
Just to warn ya, you’re arguing with Grampy’s alt
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It’s been an observasion of mine that many games can enter years of stagnation or endure as many years of “dying” before the plug is finally pulled.
About the only the the OP mentioned here that would be of any relavance as to why I stopped playing, what, two years ago, is your second reason. My reason? I got bored. I may still poke me head through the door to see if anything catches my interest, so far the answer is no.
All the activities I enjoyed lost their luster and were no longer fun.
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I used to enjoy exploring and hunting in wormholes but J-space went from an unknown and potentially dangerous space to someplace so safe that I had quite litterally flown billions of isk through wormhole chains 4 systems deep multiple times without doing any proper recon or using cloaked ships, that’s how ■■■■■■■ safe I felt traveling through wormholes. I could partly blame it on the devs but I put the blame on the extreme tryhard wormhole groups essentially bullying any small groups out of wormholes out of sheer greed, either because they want all the wormholes for themselves (aka they wanna be nullsec without the capital threat) or they want to ‘rent’ out said wormholes (because they’re wannabe nullsec groups). The chivalry (or what would constitute as chivalry in J-space) that used to be part of the wormhole life had all but perished by the time I quit.
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When I was in a nullsec alliance I maintained my routine of exploration and scouting. As a result of that I was often either too far away, in the wrong ship, or just completely out of position to participate in battles. At some point leadership got paranoid about wormholes to the point where I was locked out in J-space several times because some idiot decided to close the door while I was inside exploring/reconing/hunting. Wasn’t like there was much to find in J-space to hunt anymore, most of what I was doing was looking for connections to hs.
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I did a bit of a side business solo-mining with a battle-proc and battle-porpoise for an hour or two a week and using said minerals to make ammunition for myself for ratting purposes. Whenever I had extra minerals I used that to build basic T1 modules, ammo, and drones and I was selling them at a local marketplace, not really to make a ton of isk but because it was something I wanted to do, plus players were buying the items so somebody was finding value in it. All those updates to mining completely killed off that business. I did it because I wanted to be able to say I built those items all on my own, and I had a bit of pride in the Hyperion I ratted with as I had built that thing entirely out of minerals I mined in system (this was before the industry changes). I had absolutely no interest in buying and transporting minerals to system as I saw absolutely no enjoyment out of the activity and I played EVE to have fun, not to turn it into a second job.
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The ratting in nullsec I only did to maintain income to replace lost ships from combat, and in some ways to purchase some better ships and modules or just to save for a rainy day to replace some of those expensive ratting ships should I ever lose one (never did but damn I came close a few times). The ratting changes became irritating because it drove the meta further to the super-fast kiting ships but this time it was focused on those stupid ess arenas where it was stupid easy to set up an ambush because everyone knew EXACTLY where the other side will land and even a monkey could set up a killzone with ease. Anyone with half a brain would not jump into the trap. It just ended up being such a huge waste of everyone’s time when one group jumps in, immediately goes for the ESS, and then waits to ambush a fleet that will never arrive because the trap was so obvious one could run around it blindfolded.
I had other gripes, mostly UI and HUD changes that made absolutely no bloody sense other than changing ■■■■ solely for the reason of changing it. In the end, game was no longer fun so I just stopped playing. I gotta love the whole “EVE is unique” argument I get sometimes. You can have the most unique ■■■■ in the world but because it’s still ■■■■, I’m not playing in it. Besides, I now work 40-50 hours a week with little to no internet access except for weekends so doesn’t make sense to play anything online-only.
Here’s some food for thought. Take the number of “online players” divide that number by 2 or 3 and you get a far more realistic number of exactly how many players are in the game because so many people run multiple accounts at the same time.
I get the impression that CCP does not want vets around anymore even if we do sub by the yr. No need to buy plex. who knows…
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If someone has been playing for 5, 10, 15, 20 years then at some point you’re going to get bored. That’s not a fault of the game, that’s just reality. It’s like leaving a steam review after playing 5000 hours going “game sucks”, like actually wth.
There’s certainly an issue with large groups destroying the emergent landscape leaving large swaths of barren nomansland but I’m not so sure this can be solved for WH space, I can be countered for null space though.
Why I moved to WH space. It’s a really nice fit in the game for me.
This is where I feel CCP really dropped the ball. The nerf the ships while not nerfing the play style.
Could it be possible for the game to be sold to another co so the game can die an even slower death?
Only back recently so I can’t say for sure…but this seems to be trend growing in the industry.
even blizzard dangled a year long wow sub with the usual cosmetic bait(s) to entice.
and if you buy now you too can have battle pass for D4 cheaper. I personnally will jsut get D4 after I see if they messed it up like diablo 3 on launch. I don’t need battle pass.
Then you’ll miss out on unique, one-of-a-kind timed cosmetic items that you’ll never be able to get again, and will hate yourself for the rest of your life because your Diablo 4 experience was incomplete.
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What massacre ? The number of people who join and then leave every week ( around 9000 join and 8000 leave if I recall the thread on the topic correctly…from 2015 CCP figures ) is waaaaay larger than the number of ganks on noobs. So much larger, in fact, that it is quite patent that the vast majority who leave are not doing so because they got ganked.
So there is no ‘massacre’ in the first place…other than in the confabulations of those with an axe to grind.
And yes, the very fact that the people arguing that so many noobs leave due to ganking are themselves still in Eve is very much a laughable irony. And the more of these people there are…the more ironic it is !
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Hello @Elizabet_Forgrave Unless you are using the word “experience” in the most generic way I don’t agree. I never would have learned how to d scan from just playing the game. No amount of experience would have helped. I had to have someone teach me how to do it. Back in the day the game itself never even hinted that I could use dscan for anything useful.
In my case I was a new bro that some vets decided to mess with because they were bored. One of them tried to talk me into starting a fight with him, and then hung out with us and taught us some basic pvp info.
EvE is very bad at teaching new bros basic things that one needs to do to fly safely. I get that people who are suicide ganked in high sec can become very frustrated, because they don’t know how to watch for these things. This is why I am so emphatic that new bros learn to d scan. I really think the game needs to teach players this skill. When I started playing I didn’t even know d scanning was a thing.
There are likely many good videos on how to d scan. I mention Blight’s Wretch’s FW video because I think it is very basic and easy to follow. As far as it not being a good experience to watch guides before playing the game, well, I would say “it depends”. I was lucky to have someone explain this stuff to me out of the blue because they were bored and being nice guys. This game is complex and deep. It can be difficult to explain things to people verbally. I find that videos are much better than written words.
But different people have different learning styles. If you have watched Blight’s Wretch’s FW primer video, and think there are better videos, or better ways to explain basic information please let me know. I want to find the best ways to help educate new bros who may be reading these forums and confused about what happened when they were suicide ganked.
Uhhh, are we reading the same thread? I want people to be able to defend themselves from suicide ganking. I have been pretty clear on this in this thread, and this conversation with you. I am not expecting people to “play my way”. I just want people to realize that they can see a suicide gank coming, and GTFO if they are paying attention.
From the caterwauling on the forum some seem to feel ganking is an epidemic that is dominating high sec. It is clear that many people are demanding that it be removed because there is no defense against it, and I am doing my best to help people see that it is easy to avoid it. Sure, there are other instances of pvp in high sec, but they are not the ones that get thread after thread posted in the forums demanding that they be removed
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Oh…that’s convenient ( even though we in fact do ). But in fact with such statement you do in your own cause, because if we have no idea of the numbers then we equally have no idea if there’s any problem. Its just another example of how your cause flip flops all over the place.
If you do not know the numbers then you have no idea if a problem even exists. You can’t have it both ways…no matter how much you try to.
Of course it is. Every noob who gets past noob-ness is proof that it can be done. Thus it is extremely ironic if more and more people start to whine that it is hard for noobs to get past.
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You were saying education in EvE is bad, and everyone should just pick things up as they go, which I have pointed out is silly, and now you are trying to fudge how you use the word to cover the things that you earlier objected to.
I have never said that the d scan was good or bad game design. I just said that if you are afraid of being ganked, you can tell if someone is on their way to you with d scan, but nice try trying to put words in my mouth.
I fail to see how someone who wants to know how to do something would not be helped by watching a video on how to do that something.
As far as the whole point of learning how to d scan makes one immune to ganking, so why not just get rid of ganking, I can only assume that this is a Freudian slip of types. You seemingly want to remove a whole play style, whereas I am trying to teach people who fear this play style a counter to it. Since marauders make lvl 4 missiosn trivial should we remove lvl 4 missiosn from the game?
Removing entire playstyles and content does not seem like an improvement to me.
Strange, that is the point of this very thread is it not?
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I was browsing the forums (inactive player) and stumbled upon this thread.
I kind of enjoyed the industrial aspect to change from mission running and PVP, and it felt like something I could have done for a while (T2 invention/prod)
I must say the main thing that stops me from coming back to Eve is the memory of my Orca bumped for 30mns, and ganked 2 times within 1 week (no dscan skills could have saved me here).
Losing most of my investments, and morale considering the efforts it took to set up. (and yes, I had just finished setting it up, and no, I wasn’t shipping insane amounts of stuff, the gank was probably not even profitable)
To me, it looks like suicide ganking is a logical loophole in the game systems. It’s hard to imagine a real sci-fi civilization where this can happen and nothing gets done to solve it, like pursuing the culprits for money, prison or anything like this, yet, it exists in Eve.
Seeing that this is still a point of discussion must dissuade a lot or players like me to even attempt coming back.
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Owche, losing two orcas in one week would be painful.
That being said this who ganking business is really over-blown. It is not nearly as common or as terrible as these threads make it sound. If you were thinking of trying the game again, there have been a lot up upgrades and new features. You should try it again.
EVE punishes the lazy and the stupid, if you manage not to be that you’ll be fine. But quite a few people ARE that and those are the ones dying and crying. Doesn’t mean it’s an issue.
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