Very cool
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Looks nice. Eve at it kinda sorta should be. Iāve bookmarked the page ā¦
But I think Iāll let it mature a bit before trying it out. Problem with 3rd party tools is they come and go, Iād hate to rely on this for the plug to be pulled at some point.
@CCP_Aurora However, possibly CCP should take note 
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Very cool, Thanks for sharing.
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Might as well ban users that have multi-monitors then. Or play in a tabbed window.
Edit: This is what the eve in-game browser should have been.
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Not sure what you mean. The only feedback I saw was setting destination from within Eveeye. Youāve been able to do this and from Evemarketeer for as long as Iāve been playing (3 years+).
Then report and let CCP judge that. Not you.
Now I expect a multi paragraph tiradeā¦
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The biggest take from this, is just how utterly incompetent CCP are at designing/developing the EVE UIā¦
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Is this software free?
So really, if EveVision is available to everyone free of charge, then thatās more fair than others using multi-monitor setups or multi-boxing, since there are financial impediments for some to utilize those.
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Or maybe, just maybe, people interpret you as pissing all over something that took someone a lot and time effort to make, and they believe that your reasoning for doing so is flawed.
@Steve_Ronuken
Hey bro, I thought you might be a good person to ask? Are any features of EveVision that are in violation the EULA, or in a grey area?
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Looks nice.
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Now we only need player made CQ back.
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I call BS on that. People will pounce on forum whiners, and canā¦ adamantlyā¦ disagree with each other, but they tend not to piss on other peopleās achievements. In fact, they can often be quite supportive.
Yeah, you rightly called somone out on using a strawman argument, but you then used a hasty generalization when you claimed that everyone was using strawman arguments, and are now using a reductio ad absurdum.
Finally, you do know that the EULA says āunfair advantageā and not āsignificant advantageā (or even advantage). I mean, all of the third party tools worth their salt give a significant advantage. The question is whether or not they give an unfair advantage, and we are talking about a (1) free program that is available to everyone without restriction, and that (2) seems to be more of a QOL thing than anything else. Moreover, if people do use other programs and plugins in combination with this program in way that is in violation of the EULA, that doesnāt make this program guilty by association. You have to consider what it does on itās own. The only caveat to that would be that Iām sure that CCP has the right to prohibit the program if it makes it too easy for other EULA violating code to be used. But, that would be up to CCP.
Holy crap, how is it that every post you make has like 12 things I disagree with in it. I canāt even touch on them all without writing one thousand word walls of text. And, I still owe you a reply from the last thread we were arguing in. Sigh, I think I might do like Paul Torin and toss the baton to someone else for this thread.
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very noice, thanks for sharing
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Iām not part of CCP, so bear that in mind. Everything is purely my opinion.
That said, as far as I understand it, Eve Vision is just a browser being injected in the same way that the steam browser is.
It makes no changes to Eve. Thus, itās ok.
But like I said, Iām not part of CCP. And Iāve not really looked into at it.
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Once you take into account the amount of intel that can be brought in across multiple characters and the control looped back to the client through ESI, I really struggle to understand how someone can look at it and not see that it provides a significant unfair advantage.
ā¦What? You are just stringing random words together at this point. You hate my program so much that you had to continue this tirade from Discord three weeks ago the last time you saw my program talked about? For reference, this guy spent a bunch of time trying to convince everyone on a Discord server of the same thing. He REALLY does not like that this program exists, and Iām not sure why.
Not to beat a dead horse, but let me yet again invalidate your arguments since you seem to want to ensure my hard work goes to waste:
- It doesnāt let you see any extra information you couldnāt before. Additional monitors, pinning browsers with DisplayFusion etc, or even just using windowed mode with a browser next to it has always been around. Several tools already draw over EVE. So this part doesnāt matter whatsoever.
- The ability to go back and forth between EVE and EveVision windows isnāt some special thing enabled by it ACTUALLY drawing in the game. Pinned windows already work the exact same way. That one DPS graph overlay comes to mind. So, this part of your argument is also invalid.
- Your remaining argument for unfairness is that other players donāt have it as part of the installer. They also donāt have any of these other third party tools that weāve been using for a decade. Are you telling me we should ban D-Scan Info? Dotlan? ESI in general?
- And finally, regarding your point where āa bot writer could write all the tools to read game data and chain together actions but not actually write the behaviourāā¦ Yeah, thatās trueā¦ except I didnāt write a single thing that enables you to violate the EULA any more than you already could. If a web-based tool violates the EULA, itās gonna violate it whether or not itās inside EveVision. We should ban Chrome too while EVE is running, I guess? This is literally just Chromium with the ability to draw over EVE, something that is fundementally no different than an always-on-top Chrome browser.
You seem to just be one of those types of people who likes to be controversial for the sake of it. Get over yourself. The only thing EveVision does is level the playing field, it doesnāt make it more unfair. Maybe if youāre the only one out of 2000 people saying something, youāre the incorrect one.
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Seeā¦
I was not wrong. There is not a thread on these forums with Lucas in it, that does not devolve into a ping pong match. All for the sake of having the last word.
I am done with this thread.
Awesome stuff with the development. I donāt like using 3rd party software in games but it looks awesome. Until CCP decides this is an issue but I cannot see that happening, ignore Lucas.
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Its not like you have contributed something of value.
Your basis for continuing to express objection at the existence of this software.
Funny, when I decided an article on the impact of ganking was fairly irrelevent for the same reason, you discounted it.
Your hypocritical ramblings are just that,m being a grumpyold man yelling at a cloud. You literally add nothing but division.
So yeah like I said, you want kudos for defending your own hypocritical, unsupported view and are getting pissy when called on it, and calling it a virtue.
Oy vey, please stop standing so close to me in the store, Boomer.
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Oh, I get it, youāre one of those people who just immediately says āstop having a tantrumā whenever someone calls you out for your argumentative fallacies and truly believes they are the only proper debater in the room no matter what. The fact that you managed to be known for being an extraordinarily argumentative person on an MMOās forum, and EVEās forum at that, is honestly impressive.
Saying I donāt level criticism is a load of horse crap. You are the only one here that is 100% unwilling to budge on your opinion and accept that parts of your arguments are invalid. I am constantly listening to what people have to say and responding to them. And last I checked, in that Discord server we left off on a good foot and agreed that it just needs to be carefully managed, but here you are spewing your tirade again about how everyone using this should be banned.
Just as an example, people were freaking out because I said I might replicate NEAR2 myself. I decided that would be horribly unfair like NEAR2 itself is, and decided that I would never implement it nor would I allow any official plugin to do so. Iāve spent hours discussing this program with various community leaders and CCP employees to ensure it doesnāt violate the EULA and never will.
So, no, Iām not some random nullibear who has 2000 other nullibears behind me saying itās great and could care less how it affects anyone else. The highsec miners love it. The russian wormholers love it. The jita traders love it. The lowsec FW people love it. Matter of fact, the nullsec groups are using it the least out of anyone due to how opsec they can be. This is actually probably the first time a third party tool DIDNāT benefit one group of players more than the other, this benefits every single player equally because itās useful for everyone.
You know how you know someone has lost an argument in EVE? They start calling you out for being part of a nullsec group. Go ahead and ask Horde how active I actually am in nullsec space - I literally do nothing but make tools for EVE and blow up a ship once in a while. Look at my killboard. I donāt rat. I buy PLEX every few months, blow up ā ā ā ā when my kid gives me the time to go on a fleet, and spend my hobby time working on EVE tools. I have zero real bias for any group or playstyle in this game.
There isnāt a single group of people this tool doesnāt benefit, and it only does so in ways that make the game nicer to play. Itās making it better for everyone, and itās free, and itās open source. There is zero barrier to entry to using this. Itās like saying CCP should ban better graphics cards since some players may not be able to afford them and it lets people be able to perform better in heavy fleet fights. The GPUs are available to make your gaming experience better, why canāt EveVision?
Not a single other person saw EveVision and went āooh im really gonna get those ganks nowā or āoh man thisāll let us take over that sov spaceā. Not a single other person has seen this and thought āthis is gonna negatively affect gameplay and hurt EVEā. If there is an unfair advantage, itās so hilariously miniscule that it doesnāt matter. A person not using this will be at almost no disadvantage to someone who is. You are making a mountain out of a dustmite.
The only thing EveVision does that a normal always-on-top pinned browser cannot is let you still use your hotkeys while in a tool window. That may be unfair, and if it is decided to be so, I will remove that functionality.
The level of enjoyment and āeaseā you get out of EVE has been directly linked to what third party tools you use since 2004 when people were first scraping the public skill site, which is why the API was made in the first place. You use these high-level arguments so you can avoid the point, instead of realizing the basis of everything you stand on is meaningless. You arenāt against EveVision, youāre against third party tools in general, and you donāt even realize it.
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