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The fact i’m waiting for you to provide evidence for is the basement dwelling incels part
People are allowed to play the game as long as it is within the rules of the game and the EULA. If someone gets that truly upset about being ganked or killed in a video game then maybe they are the ones that have an issue.
Its a GAME.
First off suicide isn’t caused by this game and that organization is meant for people who are looking for help, to get it regardless of whether they play the game or not.
Secondly as for “harvesting tears” that isn’t a ganker thing, that’s something a lot of players do including war deccers, low seccers, null seccers, WHers and alot of other people in the game. So are you going to argue we should get rid of all those players as well
Third, my issue with your statement was saying gankers are a bunch of basement dwelling incels, which I’m sure you have no proof of, may or may not be true and even if it is I’d bet its not just gankers, there are plenty of high sec care bears that could potentially fall into that group as well.
Ive been ganked multiple times in the game and not once have i had any of them try to engage psychologically like you say. Ive been told to buy a permit from them. i have however seen people get ganked and then begin to call gankers bad players, horrible people etc and then the gankers respond with usually buy a permit and quit crying miner.
So again you are trying to enforce a stereotype on a group of people who you have never met and no nothing about them except what they do in game and have also failed to show any evidence to suggest that all of them or even a majority have engaged in such activities to harm other peoples mental state. Have there been isolated incidents of this before, yes but its doesnt mean its a rampant issue. And like i said, most of the time it starts when the player who is ganked begins talking in local not the gankers.
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you say i like gankers even though I’ve been ganked and have killed them off quite a bit. Secondly I’m talking about first hand experience when i see people rage in local about being ganked, and third what proof do you have for your baseless allegations.
If you truly believe what they are doing is wrong why have you not presented evidence to CCP and if your going to be spouting on the forums about it then show your evidence here even. But you wont because you don’t have any and are simply trying to create a false stereotype simply to make yourself feel better.
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Yeah it’s actually extremely more effective to make a brief powerpoint presentation with actual numbers and stats and go bring it to a CSM member who can deliver it directly to CCP, than it is whining about made up stuff on the forums.
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So the people who play a villain in a movie actually has disorders ? What if he plays villain in a movie and good guy in another one ?
Eve is fiction. The RPG part in MMORPG stand for ROLE PLAYING. Sure some of them play the role of idiots, even going to the point of linking articles to prove that “correlation is causation” while those articles start by affirming the opposite statement. Does not mean that those people are actually idiots.
Gankers are an important part of the Eve ecosystem. Learn to deal with it, or quit the game and go to WoW if you don’t want a PVP MMO.
Source ?
There are two things that are forbidden WRT harasment and ganking : killing newbros in protected systems, and following a specific player among systems in the specific goal to deny him playing (which includes ganking). Note : just because they ganked you in different systems does not mean they followed you.
So now, either you provide sources for the defamation you just made ; or you apologize and stop rumor mongering and insult.
If you have issues not being a gank magnet, people can teach you how to avoid it. But you need to reflect on your own behavior and accept that maybe you got something wrong in the game.
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Not true. Not everyone is a psycho like that. Most gankers have a willingness to hurt the player behind the screen, but not the intent to do it. A ganking always hurts the victim, but not every gank is done with the sole intention of hurting the person specifically. Of all the ganking circles I’ve been a part of, the intent was always to profit, advance an agenda, raise killboard stats and become infamous as a villain, etc. I can’t remember anyone I’ve known saying “hey, let’s go make a bunch of pubbies rage-quit the game and beat their kids, lol!”
I’m sure it does happen sometimes, but such cases are outlier situations. Most gankers definitely don’t behave the way you describe.
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There’s a difference between trying to generate tears, and accepting them when someone offers them to you. People who get ganked but don’t in cry in response tend to win respect very quickly.
Ganking isn’t that much different from, say, hunting for a ratter in low-sec. In both situations, there’s a predator and a prey, and the encounter is almost exclusively one-sided and predictable. Would you also say that most low-sec hunters are out to get tears?
I think I’m with Destiny on this one. There’s more talk about “harvesting those delicious salty tears” than there is reality.
Not saying there aren’t people who get off on making someone else mad or frustrated or getting a reaction from that. That’s what forums trolls are all about, for instance. Just that I think most ganking is done for profit, or simply boredom/lack of anything else to do. There’s a few who also do it because it makes them feel “superior” to feel they come out ahead in battle, even if they’re picking on weak targets. Code. would be more of an example of this, although they have some salt-miners too.
I do often put down high-sec gankers, but it’s mostly because they usually go off on these rants about how “high sec carebears” are pathetic losers taking the low-risk path while they’re sitting in high sec doing the exact same thing, just less productively.
I don’t think evil gankers with emotional issues are a significant problem, regardless of the noise level. EVE has bigger problems than that to focus on.
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Even if true, that has no bearing on the argument being made.
The grand majority of ganking outside of CODE. and some minor offshoot groups is done with a for-profit motive. Sure, someone might put a “complaint form” in their bio to be edgy, but that’s not quite getting-someone-to-beat-their-pets material right there.
And just in itself, provoking some level of response isn’t inherently malicious outside the scope of the game, because these people are trying to be villains. If the act of ganking is accompanied by targeted harassment, then yes, that fits within your narrative. But like I said, I’ve rarely seen that happen, maybe just a handful of times over my many years in EVE. It’s definitely an outlier event.
And no, trying to sell mining permits doesn’t count.
What this thread needs is a universal figure of hatred to unite us all.
Where’s Salvos when you actually need him?
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I’m just not seeing how those two things necessarily tie together. And an experienced player would expend the same amount of effort doing either activity. Your claim might be positively correlated with the lower end of the ganker spectrum composed of newer players, but it doesn’t establish causation. “I’m too scared to attack someone who will fight back because I suck at PvP, so I’ll gank instead!” said no one, ever.
It just doesn’t have much bearing on reality. As has been said countless of times in the past, most gankers gank as an alt activity, and do plenty of PvP on their mains. The two overlap much more than people who generally dislike gankers tend to think.
I agree. But I mean, I did specifically say “outside of CODE.” And yes, there are very few dedicated gankers in general.
It’s not black and white. The scope of the act is very important to consider. Giving someone a light prod to see if they’ll give you a juicy line you can put in your bio to show off to your buddies isn’t the same as permanently hounding someone to try to get them to have an emotional breakdown.
A degree of maliciousness is both expected and necessary, because you can’t have villains without it. What’s important is whether or not that degree can fit within the scope of the game’s role-playing elements.
Because unlike you, CCP considers the element of scope that I’ve outlined above. That’s why Erotica 1 got banned, while other scammers don’t, even when they scam their targets for everything they have.
I believe the SI unit for that is the “faget”.
PvP is PvP, and fighting is fighting. We can go through the list of various types of PvP available in the game, and after eliminating all of the ones that don’t meet some kind of “skill” or “honor” criteria, we’ll have hardly anything left. Arenas? Duels? Anything aside from that is going to be inherently asymmetrical.
That’s on you. Trash-talk is kind of a given in games in which people compete with one another. This is also true for sports, business, or pretty much any form of interpersonal competition. If I shoot at someone and hit everything but the target, and they turn around, kill me, and ask me if I learned to shoot at stormtrooper school, and tell me to melt down my GPU for metal to use to make a chastity cage, I’m not going to throw a hissy fit about it (unless I pretend to). But I know that many people would (and you seem to include yourself in that category), because it’s malicious, unsportsmanlike, upsetting, whatever.
Your argument isn’t with me, but with basic human nature at this point. If this is something that’s seen/accepted as normal in this sphere, then some degree of “malicious” acting is completely natural and accepted, and isn’t isn’t enough to qualify as targeted harassment.
But I do understand that the world is changing, and that the SJW “safe space” crowd is growing as a percentage of the population, so this might very well change in the future.
Not sure it would make for a good world to live in, though.
Judging intent would entail calculating scope. It wouldn’t be (and isn’t) a binary decision in which CCP tests for someone saying or doing something that upsets someone else.
EVE would lose half of its players overnight if they did that.
For anyone that knows of Wingspan. When they kill someone they send them a mail informing them that their “torpedo delivery” has been completed, and i mean on almost every kill. I have yet to hear one person complain stating they have become under emotional or mental distress due to one of these mails. They do it more often then gankers do.
In most countries it is up to the plantiff to provide EVIDENCE of such actions rather then just make claims of what happened.
Again you have no evidence other then your word which you think we should take just cause.
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And I believe that most people (and I’m talking only about the PvP crowd here) do indeed stop when certain levels are reached.
But I also think that true emotional distress (on the levels of that low-sec Golem guy) is relatively rare, e.g. most of the victims invited to the CODE. public channel don’t lash out as if they’re in distress - the majority tends to act dismissively, and a good percentage even jokes around.
That’s a necessity as an effect of having a game in which players can be attacked and lose assets without their consent, which is an experience that few other games offer. It’s much more black and white in some team based FPS game that has clear rules of engagement, such as rules against excessive team-killing, blocking, flash-banging, etc.
your clearly distressed about this and want something done, right? then PROVE THERES AN ACTUAL PROBLEM
Turns out focus firing down targets to either:
- alpha them off the field
- out dps incoming reps
is an effective strategy. who would have thought that players like to use optimal strategies the work well?
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