Faction Warfare is dead, long live our robot overlords

(Aves Asio) #162

True. I guess now its starting to smell

(CiXiang Reytzenstein) #163

Yeah, but usually we’d take them out of vulnerable, unless we’re ceding the warzone to get more farmers to shoot at. Also even then it’d be a couple of systems they were planning to take, not 5-10 that are not being bashed.

Right now, the only thing we’re doing and can do is to keep our home systems out of vulnerable, but that’s more of a pride thing.

(CiXiang Reytzenstein) #164

Well, it certainly isn’t in its glory days, but even then the kind of small gang and solo fights it encouraged have been fun. It might be now though, really depends on how long CCP drags their feet on this.

(Bloodclart Raider) #165

Yeah Amarr has a handful of try hard monks habit wearing pensioners that get up and skype each other to deplex and chant.

(Kaivarian Coste) #166


(Sade Musana) #167

Oof, you only need to look at your killboard to realize there is an issue here.

(CiXiang Reytzenstein) #168

You know, we do actually. Its ok, you guys have Venom, he kept us from taking Hadozeko for a week.

We’d oplex it by 20 percent during the day, he’d dplex it down again when we were asleep.

(Venom Anarchy) #169

That’s because I set my alarm for when you all log out.

(CiXiang Reytzenstein) #170

I can respect that kind of dedication. Though when Temp started logging back in and we had timezone coverage we pretty much took it the next day. Spent 26 hours oplexing that day, woke up just in time for the hub bash.

And it was a lot of fun. Got a lot of good fights over that system. Bumped some ventures out of tether too.

(Venom Anarchy) #171

I think I missed deplexing it for a couple of days in fact recently I haven’t been doing much, it wasn’t me that organised the Orfrold bash.

(CiXiang Reytzenstein) #172

Yeah, have seen your killboard, lots of atron kills on there.

Though tbh, part of the reason why the orfrold bash happened was that James got sick that day and didn’t log in. I mean I spent some time dplexing up there, but he was pretty much holding it solo from what I was told, and its a bit out of the way from our pocket. Think temp and someone else held the hub bash up for a couple of hours, took it out of vuln several times, but you guys cinched it just before downtime.

(Square Root Negative-One) #173

Like that wouldn’t be abused to holy hell.

(CiXiang Reytzenstein) #174

Yes, feature design is a difficult craft, especially in a system as complex as EvE online. Unintended side effects are the name of the game. Hell, CCP screws it up frequently, and its pretty much their job. Remember how they changed plexes to not admit ships with warpstabs fitted, but forgot about the venture with its default +2 stabs?

All we can do is point out those unintended consequences and how and where they are affecting the game. Give CCP advance notice of things they’d only find out via trailing indicators otherwise, and just how severe the different developments in the EvE universe can be.

CCP has said in the past that they want to revisit faction warfare, fix some of its flaws. Missions and the tier system of course being big concerns. But the premise of faction warfare is fun, and the flaws we can live with. Of course that has been said as a CCP ‘soon’, which can be a very long time. But we’re patient.

The recent botting problem however, well, that might decimate faction warfare in short order, and there will be nothing left to revisit.

(Nicolai Serkanner) #175

Please explain.

(Peter Galakher) #176

I’m using my alt in Frderal Defence Union to defend any beacen on my Venture. And I’m not a bot. I’m not good in PVP. But i defend and doing it well, even ceptors can’t catch me. So they are loosing interest in pursue me. I didn’t played EvE for 2 weeks. And what i see now? T3 modifier to LP. 56%!!! 10 systems lost! I dunno what wrong, bur now FW is uneffective to defend.

(CiXiang Reytzenstein) #177

Yeah, each time one of these bots closes a novice, it knocks LP off the system upgrade level. If they do it for long enough, it drops the entire faction tier. I’ve spend 500k LP to keep Amarr in Tier 2, many others have done similar, but right now its just untenable.

(CCP Guard) #178

Hey, guys. We’ve been reading up on your thoughts and observations here and doing a bit of digging. As you know we’re not happy about where we are in general regarding bots. There’s more work and research to be done until we get there. But as for right now, we’ve hit some FW warfare bot farms and will continue looking into them.

We know the burden is on us to do the things only we have the power to do but you can help us by keeping those bot reports coming and also by spreading awareness about the effects of black market RMT, which is what’s driving these FW bots mostly.

Thank you for your feedback, help and patience on this.

ФВ Боты
(Bloodclart Raider) #179

Bots are producing LP that is then traded for goods which are then sold for isk, isk is then sold on eBay thus the person who purchased it on eBay doesn’t need to buy plex from CCP to sell on the Eve market because he can afford to put his skill injected 3 week old Legion pilot in a new bling fitted T3 cruiser after losing the last one 2 days earlier.

Well that is one scenario where plex demand doesn’t increase maybe you can explain one where it does ?

(CiXiang Reytzenstein) #180

Thank you for noticing the effects these bots have had on Faction Warfare and taking steps to ammeliorate the issue. We will certainly perk up again if these bots do return and start disrupting the warzone again.

That said, we’ll keep reporting these bots as we see them and be spreading awareness as best as we can. As players we care about the ongoing health of the EvE universe as much as CCP does, so anything we can do to help, we will try to help with.

Faction warfare has come together across militias to deal with this issue, reporting bots, developing fits to hunt them, creating strategies to deprive them of plexes, to deprive them of income and reduce the damage they do. But as correctly stated, CCP is the only entity able to pull the trigger on these bots. We’d ban them if we could, but that’s power we can’t be entrusted with.

(Fluffy Moe) #181

Support for ubber multiboxing - about 1/4 of whats needed for botting - check
Support for AFK and “passive” gameplay, including auto functions - another good chunk of whats needed for botting - check
Ultra low minimum system reqs so that too many accounts can run on a single machine - check
Bot friendly gameplay mechanics including combat - check
Unverified Alpha Account creation without requirements for a valid CC or any other for of verified ID - check
Allowing 3rd party apps for startup and logging the game - check

All 100% on CCP. Yea bots would still exist but am willing to bet no where near the proportions which we are seeing today.