Fighting Dagan with a cruiser

[Random_Rick]

so I heard Dagan is very tough. I did some research on eve university and I was frightened by how strong he is. since I kind of suck in combat and not responsive(or not being strategic enough) for multiple targets, I figured out its best for me to get a heavy tank with moderate DPS and attack range(10+km).

the coercer I fly now is very good, but its lacking a little bit on armour comparing to a cruiser. so the question is: is it possible to fit a Amarr cruiser(Omen or Maller) under the budget of 18 Million and fight Dagan successfully?

I checked lots of fits on eve workbench but non of them is appealing to me. please help, thanks.

[Do_Little]

To fight Dagan successfully you need at least 100 dps. You don’t need a lot of tank - you just need to break his tank!

Most T1 destroyers can do this and there will usually be people in Arnon local willing to help. I don’t think you can fit a cruiser decently under 20 million but you’ll easily make that in rewards and bounties before you reach that point in the Arc. You biggest challenge with an Amarr hull will be the Chasing Shadows mission since Kritsan Parthus will drain your capacitor - which you depend on for weapons, tank and mobility! He is easily defeated in a missile ship if you have those skills. Be sure to read the Eve University article: https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

A basic PVE fit for the Omen:

[Omen, PvE Mission Basic]

Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Extruded Compact Heat Sink
Prototype Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Small ACM Compact Armor Repairer
Extruded Compact Heat Sink

10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Large Compact Pb-Acid Cap Battery
Optical Compact Tracking Computer

Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Anode Medium Particle Stream I, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Acolyte I x5

Good luck

[Random_Rick]

@Do_Little

will drain your capacitor

Oh ok I get it, but if my weapons are long range enough e.g. 20km+, he can’t harm me right?

[Random_Rick]

@Do_Little

I don’t think you can fit a cruiser decently under 20 million

I only have 12 Million currently, but I am sure I will get another 12Million before I go to mission 50.

[Cygnus_Carta]

@Do_Little

To fight Dagan successfully you need at least 100 dps.

That’s not true. You need 120 dps to break him and since he’s tanked vs EM and Thermal a laser user needs more dps, I’d guesstimate around 150+.

The fit you linked is a decent one although I’d replace the T2 DC with a T1 for cost and SP reasons and I’d replace the EANM with a lower meta one, again for cost reasons.

To the OP: Please don’t use one of the online fitting repositories, it’s full of clown fits or fits that don’t suit your situation and being new you’re unable to distinguish which one is good and which is garbage. Also, as stated just ask for help in Rookie channel or in local. The mission is meant to be a hurdle that requires help or a proper rethink, it’s designed that way.

[Do_Little]

I’m not sure what his range is with the neut but you can easily increase your range by choosing different crystals. I have a couple of industry/market characters who run the Arc in a Succubus for standing - they have no problem killing Parthus at 30Km with Aurora. You can ignore his escorts - once you kill him he magically appears in your cargo hold and the mission is complete. For Dagan, I normally orbit close and use Gleam - he dies quickly but this is a fairly high skill, T2 fit.

Pyfa tells me the posted fit costs 25 million ISK. About 5 million of that is the rigs. The only module that costs more than 1 million is the reactive hardener. Another place to save is the crystals - you don’t need navy faction for the Arc!

[safira_jomita]

@Random_Rick

I only have 12 Million currently, but I am sure I will get another 12Million before I go to mission 50.

if you still struggling to.get that fit I can find that to you , it’s a good cause after all xD. Send me an eve mail

[Xeux]

You might also consider switching to a dragoon, since that will let you change damage types (as suggested above).

[Xuxe_Xu]

OP, team up with someone else and just use your coercer. The Dagan mission is really intended to encourage people to team up with others. Ask in local there if someone wants to fleet up and take him on together.

[Terak_Romaller]

A few pointers:

As has been said: Eve Workbench is a collection of weird stuff with the odd good idea in it. If you can’t tell the difference you can end up with a bit of a lemon. It is a shame that Eve University is dropping their fits, but I can understand why.

@Do_Little’s fit is sound (and interesting: I’d’ve not put a Large Battery on an Omen, but it does work - at my skill level I’m Cap Stable with everything running, and 300+ dps at 15km. I don’t like small repairers on cruisers, but that’s my preferences.) - yes: 25m ISK at Amarr on current prices.

For reference, the Coercer @Random_Rick is using is:

Coercer

[Coercer, Valiant]
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Small I-a Enduring Armor Repairer
Extruded Compact Heat Sink

5MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger

Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I

Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Small Energy Collision Accelerator I
Small Energy Metastasis Adjuster I

Imperial Navy Standard S x8
Imperial Navy Radio S x8
Imperial Navy Multifrequency S x8

It should be good for 200+dps at 10km (Navy MF), 150+dps at 20km (Navy Standard) or so.
(I can understand the view “don’t use faction in missions”. But the extra damage is useful).

Personally, I’d say have a go at cracking Dagan with the Coercer you’ve got - bail to a safe spot if you need to repair and let the capacitor recharge (don’t leave it too late!), but it should break him reasonably efficiently.

Sensible upgrades to that Coercer if your skills allow are to uplift the Heat Sink, Damage Control, Recharger and Repairer to T2 parts (probably in that order - I prefer damage over defence). It’ll be cheaper than a Cruiser!

Fleeting up with others is also a good idea: a pair of you in destroyers will smash through him quite happily.

[Do_Little]

@Terak_Romaller

I don’t like small repairers on cruisers

Neither do I - that was a mistake. Medium will fit but no longer cap stable. With my skills the Medium I-a enduring has 12 minutes of cap with everything running which should be enough for most PVE situations.

[Cygnus_Carta]

@Terak_Romaller

I don’t like small repairers on cruisers

I missed that, yeah small repper is silly.

[Random_Rick]

got it, I will give it a try. also I am training more light beam laser skills, so I can save some capacitor and get more damage.

@Terak_Romaller

Personally, I’d say have a go at cracking Dagan with the Coercer you’ve got - bail to a safe spot if you need to repair and let the capacitor recharge (don’t leave it too late!), but it should break him reasonably efficiently.

Dagan doesn’t have a warp disruptor right?

[Random_Rick]

strangely, someone send my 20M ISK, by the name of Mona Me or something(dont remember the exact name). I have no idea why. so I sent him/her a mail and dont know what to do about all these money. I guess I can buy a cruiser now.

[Wyk_Bathana]

that’s frequent, when new players like you show on forum that they are willing to learn, to understand and to improve, instead of whining, that old players send them some isks, because 20M is nothing for an old player while it is significant for a new one

[Random_Rick]

@Wyk_Bathana

20M is nothing for an old player while it is significant for a new one

oh ok. I will make sure I spend it wisely then.

[Terak_Romaller]

@Wyk_Bathana

when new players like you show on forum that they are willing to learn, to understand and to improve, instead of whining, that old players send them some isks, because 20M is nothing for an old player while it is significant for a new one

This. Absolutely.

You did the right thing by sending a mail back (it wasn’t me!). You will do well in Eve.

Try Dagan in the Coercer first before spending the ISK on a Cruiser. You’ve now got the capital to safely risk it. You’ll feel better about a good battle where you’ve risked something and won rather than just massively overpowering him. Additionally, you will learn what your ship really can really do.

[Random_Rick]

ok I get it. I will do the classic Kiting tactic. it should work.

[Ms_Steak]

@Cygnus_Carta

That’s not true. You need 120 dps to break him and since he’s tanked vs EM and Thermal a laser user needs more dps, I’d guesstimate around 150+.

Wrong. I did whole arc in an active tanked AB beam Punisher on an alpha character. 100 dps with close range crystals do wonders against Dagan when he cant hit you. He doesnt rep all the time but in waves, so as long as he doesnt rep all the damage you do in one cycle - you will kill him eventually. Parthus proves to be more of a challenge, imo, because it was a DPS/Cap race (for a frigate). Dagan - just orbit and shoot.

[Cygnus_Carta]

It’s almost impossible to only do 100 dps with a Coercer unless it’s shitfit, I bet you did more. Also, Parthus is weak to em/thermal but Dagan is tanked for that.