First CSM Summit Meeting Minutes

[Arrendis]

@Kaylee_Rayl

I’m more like the type to see what actions people do rather than live on what they say.

Well, in the case of the CSM, all you’ll ever have is what CCP say. The CSM can’t tell you what things they’ve actually stopped CCP from screwing up horribly, or even what things they’ve advocated for. So you won’t know what they do.

@Kaylee_Rayl

I meant that CSM control what the people are posting on the forum

They don’t. At all.

@Xucca

I think Arrendis was trying to say that this is not “this newer version of CCP”.

Indeed.

@Brisc_Rubal

Blackout hit all of those points. It helped fix the isk faucet issue, which had been out of control for years.

No, it didn’t. It just suppressed the faucet by driving people out of the game. That’s not fixing the faucet, that’s turning the water off where it comes into the house, man.

@Brisc_Rubal

But the folks who are now screaming with 20/20 hindsight about obviously horrible it was and everybody should have known it aren’t being fair or reasonable.

So once again, we’ll see the way everything works out as more than the sum of its parts. Individuals will be pushed toward getting smarter about their money-making, and big groups do better than small groups in terms of providing security and opportunity. People who don’t adapt will leave—some will leave null, while others leave EVE. And though there’s already a chorus forming of ‘good riddance’, it’s no secret that fewer people in the game means fewer people in space. It’s the entire reason CCP introduced Alpha clones.

Taken together, it all makes joining the large blocs even more attractive for people who want to amass money, even if their eventual goal is founding their own alliance. In the long run, the blocs weather the storm much better than the little guys, and they’ll be better positioned to teach newer players how to survive in the no-local meta.

Will this happen before CCP decides they have all the data they need? Will they decide to turn Local back to ‘Immediate’ mode? Who knows? But it will happen. And when it does, the hunters, who are talking about flocking back in droves, will start to complain about null being ‘too safe’ again. We’ll hear more crying about ‘blue donuts’ and ‘risk-averse’ people from PvPers who themselves take every precaution to not get blown up pointlessly.

And in the end? We’ll be right back where we are now.

Yup. Totally not being fair or reasonable to point out that 3 days into the Blackout, it was already being called. Hell…

@Dictateur_Imperator

First week : A lot of people will be happy to kill people don’t understand what happen.
After 2 month : Only umbrella survive, and you looze a lot of player. Hunter will cry after cyno beacause they will not have other target up.

Remimber this nerf hurt more little entity and newbro than old player in big entity.

That was a full week before the Blackout.

Honestly, Brisc, this is not brain surgery. This is how people behave. Think about what you do for a living. If you had to tell people ‘ok, look, the government knows there’s a contract here, but they need to roll all this stuff back in order to see if something is going to work, and they’re not going to compensate you in any way for it’, the response would be ‘pound sand, we’ve got a gorram contract’. People react badly to having things disrupted and taken away without any compensation. You know that. To say that people are ‘screaming with hindsight’ how obviously horrible it was ignores the fact that no, a lot of the ‘here is how this plays out’ happened early.

@Buoytender_Bob

CCP Quant said roughly 3-4 years ago that around 75 % of the active players were in HS; those numbers may have changed, but no where to the point of saying NS has the highest population.

Unfortunately, CCP’s revelations in these latest minutes indicate that their metrics for ‘who is where’ are so horribly off, they’ve got the 3 Goonswarm CSMs pegged as ‘highsec’.